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Ericdc wrote:Canada as of January 31st. PPR looks mostly white and yellow.... better than orange and red.
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Rick wrote:Felt they abandoned me this year, as my parties shot but 107 where we'd killed 173 the season before. Neil, who hunts what had long been CR marsh's strongest teal blind, has suffered a great downturn in their numbers in recent years and suspects they dislike the black-bellies that have taken over and made it the generally hottest spot for them.
Darren wrote:Black-bellies giveth, and black-bellies taketh away?
Speaking of; not sure I saw clarity on what the proposed early BBWD season means for the Fulvous variety??
I'm fairly certain I've seen Larry point out that the early BBWD season would exclude their fulvous cousins.
Darren wrote:I'm fairly certain I've seen Larry point out that the early BBWD season would exclude their fulvous cousins.
Oh boy, don't see that going well if in fact the case.
Ericdc wrote:Louisiana manages for opportunity instead of resource.
Backwards in my opinion.
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Ericdc wrote:I trust the science for now. What I don't like is all the extra hunting pressure we are creating with these extra opportunities l, whether it's veterans in February or BB's in October.
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Ericdc wrote:Let's point the finger at ethanol if we are talking "big" corn.
We weren't whining about much 10 years ago when the BPOP was healthier.
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Yep. Those with the means will use them.Rick wrote:Outlaw flooded crops, and folks will practice moist soil management along with the pressure management that's the real key to holding birds.

Duck Engr wrote:Yeah certainly agree that population and PPR drought is the number one problem but am also with Darren that the big boys wouldn’t be beating the drum so hard to keep it and spending $500+/acre to plant it if there wasn’t something to it.
Ducaholic wrote:The sheer volume of flooded unharvested crops is not the issue, but it is the consistency of the offering that has ducks imprinting more and more on areas to our north. Would greater overall numbers help with the lack of southerly migration? I'd like to think so but until we get there we just won't know for certain. A lot can change in a 10-year span in terms of waterfowl movements and migration.
Ericdc wrote:I trust the science for now. What I don't like is all the extra hunting pressure we are creating with these extra opportunities l, whether it's veterans in February or BB's in October.
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I thought that too for a long time, but read a report recently from Bradley Cohen at Tennessee Tech saying there’s an estimated 3000 acres of flooded, unharvested corn, in west Tennessee alone. That blew my mind.Rick wrote:Duck Engr wrote:Yeah certainly agree that population and PPR drought is the number one problem but am also with Darren that the big boys wouldn’t be beating the drum so hard to keep it and spending $500+/acre to plant it if there wasn’t something to it.
One of my hunters did the math in the blind this season, and $500 was one of the figures on the way to his estimated cost per acre, and his conclusion was that there couldn't be enough of it to be the great demon it's painted.
Here's a recent quick read on the topic: https://www.outdoorlife.com/hunting/hot ... igrations/

Mallards can't survive on corn alone though. They have to start packing on protein in late winter/ early spring.Duck Engr wrote:I thought that too for a long time, but read a report recently from Bradley Cohen at Tennessee Tech saying there’s an estimated 3000 acres of flooded, unharvested corn, in west Tennessee alone. That blew my mind.Rick wrote:Duck Engr wrote:Yeah certainly agree that population and PPR drought is the number one problem but am also with Darren that the big boys wouldn’t be beating the drum so hard to keep it and spending $500+/acre to plant it if there wasn’t something to it.
One of my hunters did the math in the blind this season, and $500 was one of the figures on the way to his estimated cost per acre, and his conclusion was that there couldn't be enough of it to be the great demon it's painted.
Here's a recent quick read on the topic: https://www.outdoorlife.com/hunting/hot ... igrations/
Just for fun let’s go extrapolating, which isn’t perfect and may be limited by my limited understanding of numbers, but we’ll play the averages.
Rob Heflin article from 2011 in Mississippi Sportsman stated an acre of unharvested corn can feed 25,000 mallards for one average winter day. So 3,000 times 25,000 is 75,000,000 duck use days for corn in Tennessee. Now factor in we’re racing the clock toward winter solstice as gps data shows not much meaningful migration happens afterward (did see several gps ducks move 60-80 miles on this big freeze in January, but I digress). So say, on a good year, it’s cold enough for those ducks to eat that corn for 30 days, or the month of December, which lately has been a stretch to get that cold. Just west Tennessee flooded, unharvested corn can feed 2.5 million mallards for 30 days, if they just ate corn. Mallards arent the only duck that partake in corn, but I’d say they account for the vast majority of corn consumed.
Mississippi flyway bpop of 6.5 million breeding mallards. So say that’s 3.25 million nests. Say average nest success is 20%. Success is considered hatching one egg. So, say 5 eggs per nest hatch. 10-70% duckling survival rate, so we’ll say 40%. So 3.25 mill nests x 0.2 hatch x 5 ducklings per nest x 0.4 duckling survival yields an average total of 1,300,000 young ducks coming down. There’s mortality in there somewhere, but I’ll leave it out to be conservative. So Mississippi flyway needs to feed 7.8 million mallards, more on a wet prairie year, less on a dry year. Leaves out the “non breeders”, but maybe that can wash out the mortality I didn’t account for.
So in our little off the rails math exercise, just west Tennessee flooded corn could feed about a third of our Mississippi flyway mallard fall flight.
If you made it to the end, ready, aim, fire to poke holes in my mathin’!
Ducaholic wrote:It will be interesting to note what if any changes are made to the Pintail limits in the years to come. I saw a lot more dead Pintail hanging on straps this year. Hunter mortality impact will get a stern test where Pintail are concerned.
Ericdc wrote:Mallards can't survive on corn alone though. They have to start packing on protein in late winter/ early spring.
I heard that Tennessee always has a Duck energy day surplus due to corn.
They'll never eat it all because they need other things in their diet.
Do a ton of them roost or loaf in flooded corn? I'm Sure.
the Midwest’s agricultural production is increasing, primarily due to the rise in popularity of ethanol. The corn-producing acreage in the United States has increased by millions of acres over the past 20 years, a scale so large that waste grain can be found on the ground as late as spring.
“Species like snow geese are actually feeding on corn during their spring migration,” Reynolds said.
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