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[aunt betty]

Its ironic that the guy who snapped a drive shaft days ago and had to be walked thru troubleshooting it...is suddenly a 4x4 expert.
Is anyone else thinking that but being silent about it?

[assateague]

Yep!

[Woody]

WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU DRIVE IN 4wd FOR 100k?? Your right, not meant to last 100k but it is intended to be used.

If I drove in 4WD every time it snowed I would put 10K miles on my 4WD every year. It would wear out very quickly.

SIPING DOES INCREASE TRACTION FOR ACCELERATING OR BRAKING, PERIOD. Wether they were engineered for it or not.

Yes, but if the tire is not designed to handle the siping you are gambling that your tire can handle the extra stress and reduced structure.

YES SNOW ON THE ROADS. Which can easily put you into the snow in the ditch where there is usually more snow. Or heavy drifting on the roads (very common in flatlanderville)

I live near one of the largest lakes in the world, we have a lot of wind and drifting... I understand that sometime it is needed. Don't get me wrong I have had to drive to work in 4WD, but driving in 4WD all the time is not necessary.

i put a few thousand miles on my truck every year in 4wd, haven't had a problem yet. for the record, i was driving curvy mountain roads, so yeah, it was needed. i forgot that most of the country is dead flat, if you are going up or down steep inclines, you want 4wd.

woody, you're the only person i've ever heard arguing against siping. if it was so dangerous, tire shops wouldn't do it, period.

I'm not arguing against it. I've heard it causes more even wearing on a tire, but I would guess it will wear out the tire faster.
It most certainly reduces the structural stability of the tire and increases the forces put on the tire. That is not a good mix. I doubt anyone has done a study on the correlation between blowouts and siping, so it is hard to say if there is enough factor of safety designed in to the tire or not.

The only thin that gets cut is the part that is made to wear.That is a fair point i didnt think of I highly doubt it will cause blowouts. But if you drive fairly aggressively, it will tear the tread up faster than an unsiped tire. I may have found that out the hard way.....

And I will not buy another siped tire. No need for where I live. And if I was on snow or ice for 1/2 the year, I would get another set if wheels an put winter tires on them. Those things are amazingly grippy on snow/ice.

[Woody]

West coast is where it's at broseph, you better check yoself

This is 250% true.

[The Duck Hammer]

Its ironic that the guy who snapped a drive shaft days ago and had to be walked thru troubleshooting it...is suddenly a 4x4 expert.
Is anyone else thinking that but being silent about it?

Didn't even think about that.

[Juice Box]

LOUD NOISES!!!!!

[3legged_lab]

Some of you guys arguing don't know shit about what you're arguing.




And 4wd will help you stop much faster on snow/ice..... if its a manual transmission.

[Bootlipkiller]

Some of you guys arguing don't know shit about what you're arguing.

That's kind of par for the course around here ain't it?

[3legged_lab]

Some of you guys arguing don't know shit about what you're arguing.

That's kind of par for the course around here ain't it?

Yeah, I guess you're right.

[Redbeard]

I'd ask Olly, but he pays the big bucks to a cop and a banker now, can't tell me those two don't have their hands in each other's pockets...

for the record...dan is not beating me off

[3legged_lab]

I'd ask Olly, but he pays the big bucks to a cop and a banker now, can't tell me those two don't have their hands in each other's pockets...

for the record...dan is not beating me off

Not with the left hand anyways, right boot?

[Bootlipkiller]

I'd ask Olly, but he pays the big bucks to a cop and a banker now, can't tell me those two don't have their hands in each other's pockets...

for the record...dan is not beating me off

Not with the left hand anyways, right boot?

Right! Because that would be weird

[Goldfish]

You guys seriously throw your trucks into 4by when it snows? Are your afraid of soiling your panties when it slides a little? Grow a pair, or learn how to drive. Or both.

[AKPirate]

4WD gets you home. end of subject. All else is experiamentals or dumbshits, which is in the end dumbshits.

[Goldfish]

4WD gets you home. end of subject. All else is experiamentals or dumbshits, which is in the end dumbshits.

4wd is for fuckin around or off road conditions. I'm pretty sure my rear tires put 4 times the revs of my fronts in winter, minimum.

[AKPirate]

4WD gets you home. end of subject. All else is experiamentals or dumbshits, which is in the end dumbshits.

4wd is for fuckin around or off road conditions. I'm pretty sure my rear tires put 4 times the revs of my fronts in winter, minimum.

Which means what when you hit the shit when your daughter is by your side in her child suite? I know, your in 4WD.

[aunt betty]

I feel like I'm ripping myself off if not in 4x4.
If the road is clear and dry, no no no.
Its a ice n snow thing.
Shitty levees in rice fields..4x4 is mandatory.
If I catch any of you driving a levee in 2..
You probably will be asked to leave and not come back and I won't be polite or nice about it.
Stupid...is supposed to hurt like hell.

[assateague]

I'm just astounded by the "when I get stuck, I'll lock er in". Why the fuck do you want to get stuck? If it was in 4WD, you wouldn't have got stuck in the first place. Like putting a rubber on after you blow your nut.

And for the "4WD is for off road use", explain this. What constitutes the difference between "off road" and "on road" use? It's not the "road" part, because unmaintained forest service roads are still "roads". No, the difference is "off road" means "areas with less than optimal conditions, where the need for increased traction is desired". And a snow covered road most certainly fits the bill.

But do what you want. I'll keep charging $20 when I see you stuck in a ditch. Unless you magically grow tits or age 50 years, in which case it's free. But most that I make money on are younger than 35 or so. Which now, I can see why.

[Woody]

I'm just astounded by the "when I get stuck, I'll lock er in". Why the fuck do you want to get stuck? If it was in 4WD, you wouldn't have got stuck in the first place. Like putting a rubber on after you blow your nut.

With all do respect, assa, that is the fucking most stupid argument you could make. I learned to drive in an 89 Chevy 1500 with a 454 big block, 2X4. and I was born on Christmas. In other words I got my license near the beginning of winter. It had a 454 so if you goosed her just a little the tires broke loose on dry pavement. Yet, I never got in a snow related accident or got it stuck along side the road in 2.5 years of driving it. If you know how to drive in snow 4X4 is not needed until it is extremely bad.

And for the "4WD is for off road use", explain this. What constitutes the difference between "off road" and "on road" use? It's not the "road" part, because unmaintained forest service roads are still "roads". No, the difference is "off road" means "areas with less than optimal conditions, where the need for increased traction is desired". And a snow covered road most certainly fits the bill.

That is about right, but you are missing the point... in some cases it is necessary to use 4WD on snowy roads, but they were talking about using it every time it snowed.

But do what you want. I'll keep charging $20 when I see you stuck in a ditch. Unless you magically grow tits or age 50 years, in which case it's free. But most that I make money on are younger than 35 or so. Which now, I can see why.

My truck gets 19.7 MPG in 2WD and about 12 MPG in 4WD (highway).
I drive 40 miles both ways to work 5 days a week, where I live there is snow on the roads for about 3.5 months a year (5250 Miles).
I probably drive another 75 miles a week in addition to going to work. (984.375 miles)
Gas is about 3.30/gal.

(5250+984.38)/18.7=333.39 gal .... 333.39*3.3 = $1100.18
(5250+984.38)/12= 519.53 gal .... 519.53*3.3 = $1714.45

$1714.45- $1100.18 = $614.27

$614.27/20 = 30.7

I can pay you, your $20 to pull me out every 3 days and break even.

[BrewGUN]

My truck gets 19.7 MPG in 2WD and about 12 MPG in 4WD (highway).
I drive 40 miles both ways to work 5 days a week, where I live there is snow on the roads for about 3.5 months a year (5250 Miles).
I probably drive another 75 miles a week in addition to going to work. (984.375 miles)
Gas is about 3.30/gal.

(5250+984.38)/18.7=333.39 gal .... 333.39*3.3 = $1100.18
(5250+984.38)/12= 519.53 gal .... 519.53*3.3 = $1714.45

$1714.45- $1100.18 = $614.27

$614.27/20 = 30.7

I can pay you, your $20 to pull me out every 3 days and break even.

Not true, that truck doesn't see enough real action to be in the ditch in the first place, unless someone forgot to hold the raspberry bushes out of the way, or someone thumped they're hand on the side if the door!

[aunt betty]

I'm just astounded by the "when I get stuck, I'll lock er in". Why the fuck do you want to get stuck? If it was in 4WD, you wouldn't have got stuck in the first place. Like putting a rubber on after you blow your nut.

With all do respect, assa, that is the fucking most stupid argument you could make. I learned to drive in an 89 Chevy 1500 with a 454 big block, 2X4. and I was born on Christmas. In other words I got my license near the beginning of winter. It had a 454 so if you goosed her just a little the tires broke loose on dry pavement. Yet, I never got in a snow related accident or got it stuck along side the road in 2.5 years of driving it. If you know how to drive in snow 4X4 is not needed until it is extremely bad.

And for the "4WD is for off road use", explain this. What constitutes the difference between "off road" and "on road" use? It's not the "road" part, because unmaintained forest service roads are still "roads". No, the difference is "off road" means "areas with less than optimal conditions, where the need for increased traction is desired". And a snow covered road most certainly fits the bill.

That is about right, but you are missing the point... in some cases it is necessary to use 4WD on snowy roads, but they were talking about using it every time it snowed.

But do what you want. I'll keep charging $20 when I see you stuck in a ditch. Unless you magically grow tits or age 50 years, in which case it's free. But most that I make money on are younger than 35 or so. Which now, I can see why.

My truck gets 19.7 MPG in 2WD and about 12 MPG in 4WD (highway).
I drive 40 miles both ways to work 5 days a week, where I live there is snow on the roads for about 3.5 months a year (5250 Miles).
I probably drive another 75 miles a week in addition to going to work. (984.375 miles)
Gas is about 3.30/gal.

(5250+984.38)/18.7=333.39 gal .... 333.39*3.3 = $1100.18
(5250+984.38)/12= 519.53 gal .... 519.53*3.3 = $1714.45

$1714.45- $1100.18 = $614.27

$614.27/20 = 30.7

I can pay you, your $20 to pull me out every 3 days and break even.

It's $280 to get a real tow when you are real stuck.
Re-think your last comment.

[aunt betty]

Go get stuck at Rainey Brake and see. Nearest tow truck is in Jonesboro. This topic is full of guys who can't and won't admit that they are at extreme risk in extreme situations in extreme places like The Brake.

[assateague]

And now for the "I know how to drive in the snow" arguers- soooo, everybody else knows how to drive in the snow, too, right? Because every accident you've ever been in was your fault, right? Because the same mistake that is made on a dry road is NOT magnified when there is snow on the road, right?

To have 4WD and not use it is stupid. Period. It's called "wisdom".

[assateague]

When someone who DOESN'T know how to drive in the snow makes a boneheaded move right in front of you, the laws of physics are suspended for your vehicle because "you know how to drive in the snow"? Not like it'd be nice to have it in 4WD to correct that slide you're in much quicker than if you were in 2WD, quick enough to keep you from hitting that car right next to you.

[aunt betty]

AT, you're agreement is right, true, and good but these guys are running on testosterone, think with their dicks, and will learn the hard way.
I know because 25 years ago I WAS ONE.

[aunt betty]

Argument.*

[assateague]

Same here.

[(MT)Montanafowler]

I totaled a vehicle when i pulled it out of 4wd because I thought "I know how to drive in snow." turns out that i didn't know how to drive on black ice that was covered in a little snow, and my ass end swung around so fast that all i got out before i nailed a telephone pole was "fuck". So yeah, been there and done that, I drive in 4 wd in most snowy conditions.

[(MT)Montanafowler]

AT, you're agreement is right, true, and good but these guys are running on testosterone, think with their dicks, and will learn the hard way.
I know because 25 years ago I WAS ONE.

buncha Billy Badasses

[BrewGUN]

Driving in the snow isn't hard. It's just a matter of giving yourself room to stop in case the guy in front of you ditches it or stops. Driving a lifted truck with wide tires teaches good lessons. That and not wanted to fix "accidents".