School Venting Begins

[rebelp74]

People no longer need to know how to spell. They only need to know how to get it close. Computers can do the rest...

More time and effort should be put into sentance structure, and match word problems.

More time should be put into free thinking, common sense, and taking responsibility. I'd much a rather a person half assed spell than half assed live.

[The Duck Hammer]

People no longer need to know how to spell. They only need to know how to get it close. Computers can do the rest...

More time and effort should be put into sentance structure, and match word problems.

Don't forget making 10's.

And the single digit that comes after 9.

[Feelin' Fowl]

People no longer need to know how to spell. They only need to know how to get it close. Computers can do the rest...

More time and effort should be put into sentance structure, and match word problems.

fix that motherfucker right now, motherfucker.

Nope. I got close, and you knew what I meant.

[The Duck Hammer]

People no longer need to know how to spell. They only need to know how to get it close. Computers can do the rest...

More time and effort should be put into sentance structure, and match word problems.

More time should be put into free thinking, common sense, and taking responsibility. I'd much a rather a person half assed spell than half assed live.

I agree with this. It don't matter how smart you think you are if you don't have common sense you don't know shit.

[rebelp74]

People no longer need to know how to spell. They only need to know how to get it close. Computers can do the rest...

More time and effort should be put into sentance structure, and match word problems.

More time should be put into free thinking, common sense, and taking responsibility. I'd much a rather a person half assed spell than half assed live.

I agree with this. It don't matter how smart you think you are if you don't have common sense you don't know shit.

Zackly

[assateague]

As it does to the kids in school now. Maybe poor taste in analogies, but when I see valedictorians now who make simple grammar mistakes, it's painfully obvious that public education has become a societal experiment, and has little to do with education.

I was third in my class and I have trouble spelling all the time. Does that make me a failure?







(I would use the at sign but I don't want to accidentally call you and asshole)

Doesn't make you a failure at all. It does make me question the system, though.

I feel bad about the special Olympics thing, because that's not really what I "meant". Don't mean to take anything at all away from those kids or their parents.

(Here comes the "but")

But. I'll give you an example. There are kids in my daughters class who are special needs. One kid didn't even TALK until he was 5. There is no special curriculum for these kids- they only have to do half the work. Only the first 10 of 20 words on a spelling test. Only half as many problems expected to pass the timed math tests. And guess what? When he finishes the year with a B, it is the same as my daughter, or any other students' B. And that's messed up.

They're mainstreaming kids, and allowing kids to pass, and giving them these assignments. What good is it doing anybody but the feel-good "educators"? That kid that didn't talk and can't read- how well does he do on these type of questions? What good is this type of education doing for him? And that's why I have a problem with it- kids should be hammered with the basics, not a constant bag of curveballs.

[rebelp74]

As it does to the kids in school now. Maybe poor taste in analogies, but when I see valedictorians now who make simple grammar mistakes, it's painfully obvious that public education has become a societal experiment, and has little to do with education.

I was third in my class and I have trouble spelling all the time. Does that make me a failure?







(I would use the at sign but I don't want to accidentally call you and asshole)

Doesn't make you a failure at all. It does make me question the system, though.

I feel bad about the special Olympics thing, because that's not really what I "meant". Don't mean to take anything at all away from those kids or their parents.

(Here comes the "but")

But. I'll give you an example. There are kids in my daughters class who are special needs. One kid didn't even TALK until he was 5. There is no special curriculum for these kids- they only have to do half the work. Only the first 10 of 20 words on a spelling test. Only half as many problems expected to pass the timed math tests. And guess what? When he finishes the year with a B, it is the same as my daughter, or any other students' B. And that's messed up.

They're mainstreaming kids, and allowing kids to pass, and giving them these assignments. What good is it doing anybody but the feel-good "educators"? That kid that didn't talk and can't read- how well does he do on these type of questions? What good is this type of education doing for him? And that's why I have a problem with it- kids should be hammered with the basics, not a constant bag of curveballs.

The fucked up part is "special needs" kids and "non special needs" kids in the same class. I hurts both of them.

[assateague]

While I agree with Rebel, you can't free think if you don't even know what concept you're supposed to be thinking. Until you KNOW without thinking that 9+4=13, that 210-100=110, you can't free think and develop your own problem solving. They think they're giving these kids a bag of tools to help them think, but all they're doing is the same as handing me a bag of medical instruments- I don't know what the fuck to do with them because I don't understand the concepts they're used on and the desired end result.

Ubtil they KNOW that sometimes the "f" sound is spelled "ph", it doesn't do any good throw random word lists at them.

Hold on. I have to go take a picture of the other side of her homework now.

[The Duck Hammer]

As it does to the kids in school now. Maybe poor taste in analogies, but when I see valedictorians now who make simple grammar mistakes, it's painfully obvious that public education has become a societal experiment, and has little to do with education.

I was third in my class and I have trouble spelling all the time. Does that make me a failure?







(I would use the at sign but I don't want to accidentally call you and asshole)

Doesn't make you a failure at all. It does make me question the system, though.

I feel bad about the special Olympics thing, because that's not really what I "meant". Don't mean to take anything at all away from those kids or their parents.

(Here comes the "but")

But. I'll give you an example. There are kids in my daughters class who are special needs. One kid didn't even TALK until he was 5. There is no special curriculum for these kids- they only have to do half the work. Only the first 10 of 20 words on a spelling test. Only half as many problems expected to pass the timed math tests. And guess what? When he finishes the year with a B, it is the same as my daughter, or any other students' B. And that's messed up.

They're mainstreaming kids, and allowing kids to pass, and giving them these assignments. What good is it doing anybody but the feel-good "educators"? That kid that didn't talk and can't read- how well does he do on these type of questions? What good is this type of education doing for him? And that's why I have a problem with it- kids should be hammered with the basics, not a constant bag of curveballs.

Damn that's all kinds of messed up. I know in my school the Special Ed kids had their own classroom/work load than the rest of us. I don't remember all the work I did in Elementary school but I don't think it was as bad as some of the stuff you have posted. What does piss me off is that in high school and in middle school, there were science teachers, one was 8th grade science the other was physics, that didn't even understand the curriculum themselves. I remember getting bitched out several times by my 8th grade teacher for correcting her, and being proved correct once she looked it up. She had a home economics degree and they had her teaching science. It was bull. The physics teacher's approach to teaching was assigning homework and then going over it the next day. She honestly thought that she was doing a good job and that the kids were learning. What she didn't know was that they had gotten ahold of a teachers edition book and were just copying the answers down.

And I didn't think your comment was meant to be derogatory. Just kinda looked that way once me and tripod jumped on it. And I could care less if somebody thinks I'm dumb, kinda prefer it that way.

[3legged_lab]

[rebelp74]

While I agree with Rebel, you can't free think if you don't even know what concept you're supposed to be thinking. Until you KNOW without thinking that 9+4=13, that 210-100=110, you can't free think and develop your own problem solving. They think they're giving these kids a bag of tools to help them think, but all they're doing is the same as handing me a bag of medical instruments- I don't know what the fuck to do with them because I don't understand the concepts they're used on and the desired end result.

Ubtil they KNOW that sometimes the "f" sound is spelled "ph", it doesn't do any good throw random word lists at them.

Hold on. I have to go take a picture of the other side of her homework now.

Namely what I meant by free thinking was question things and form their own opinion of said things. Not self teaching, that comes with want to know, curiosity and life or other experience.

[assateague]

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This. Is fucking stupid. Is my answer "reasonable"? What the fuck. It's math. It's right or wrong- there is no "reasonable". It's fucking subtraction, not quantum physics. And in my opinion, there's nothing "logical" about how they show doing this problem. It's not teaching them subtraction in this example. I don't know what the hell it's teaching them, honestly. I made Layniebug write them out, and taught her to perform the operation properly, not this Mickey Mouse shit.

I get so pissed.

[The Duck Hammer]

I'd rip that shit up and send a not back to the teacher telling her that my child will not be doing any more of this silly ass shit until she starts assigning real homework.

[(MT)Montanafowler]

i'd suggest the teacher circle logical reasoning, because she sure as fuck needs to find some.

[rebelp74]

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This. Is fucking stupid. Is my answer "reasonable"? What the fuck. It's math. It's right or wrong- there is no "reasonable". It's fucking subtraction, not quantum physics. And in my opinion, there's nothing "logical" about how they show doing this problem. It's not teaching them subtraction in this example. I don't know what the hell it's teaching them, honestly. I made Layniebug write them out, and taught her to perform the operation properly, not this Mickey Mouse shit.

I get so pissed.

Shit like that, seems to me, is a time filler. Just something to eat up more time in the day, while the teacher spews dumb shit out of her mouth instead of getting to the point. If they just got to the point and taught our students grades wouldn't be shit and a 4th grader in a foreign country wouldn't be on the same educational level as an 8th grader here.

[The Duck Hammer]

i'd suggest the teacher circle logical reasoning, because she sure as fuck needs to find some.

[3legged_lab]

In my job I have to deal with building inspectors, I don't always agree with them but I learned early on that arguing with them wouldn't get me far.

My point is, you don't have to teach her to be a sheep but sometimes playing the game is part of life.

[rebelp74]

In my job I have to deal with building inspectors, I don't always agree with them but I learned early on that arguing with them wouldn't get me far.

My point is, you don't have to teach her to be a sheep but sometimes playing the game is part of life.

Good point

[assateague]

I agree with this on some things. But fucking up the education of children, which will impact them for their entire lives is something they need to be called out on. I don't give a damn if it changes one thing for one minute or not. They're going to know that it's stupid, and they're going to have to at least listen to themselves utter their stupid reasons for doing what they are. No free passes.

We spend at least an hour a night after homework. I make up sheets of math problems, reading lists, etc. Layniebug loves it. All summer long, we do "Dada school", as she calls it. I stop working for about 3 hours a day, and we do math, some fun science projects, read stories, teach her maps and geography, that kind of stuff. She pesters ME to do it. Kids love to learn. But the schools have decided that it's "good" to burden them with a bunch of shit they don't need, and "expose them to all methods of thinking available". This just confuses them, and makes it hard. You can't present kids with a laundry list of "ways to do something", and expect them to understand them all and then "pick one" that works for them later in life. Hell, I'm sure you see it with your kids- trying to get one to understand the way the other one learns is not only stupid, it's counterproductive and unnecessary. It's just liberal feel-good crap.

[(MT)Montanafowler]

fucking up the education of children, which will impact them for their entire lives is something they need to be called out on.

this. you want a real example? i haven't told anyone this outside of my girlfriend, but i can't do long division. not even joking. they did the same fucking bullshit back then with those poorly written problems, and i never understood it. to this day, i have no idea how it works. my math skills are shaky at best, to the point that i can't trust that i ever have the right answer with anything. I sincerely wish my parents had actually done something proactive about it too.

[AKPirate]

In my job I have to deal with building inspectors, I don't always agree with them but I learned early on that arguing with them wouldn't get me far.

My point is, you don't have to teach her to be a sheep but sometimes playing the game is part of life.

Good point

It's more than a good point. It's life. Assa is the real deal and raises a daughter better than I ever could.

[AKPirate]

Idaho- Hopefully you can edit your last post quickly or one of the damn mods can later.

[AKPirate]

I agree with this on some things. But fucking up the education of children, which will impact them for their entire lives is something they need to be called out on. I don't give a damn if it changes one thing for one minute or not. They're going to know that it's stupid, and they're going to have to at least listen to themselves utter their stupid reasons for doing what they are. No free passes.

We spend at least an hour a night after homework. I make up sheets of math problems, reading lists, etc. Layniebug loves it. All summer long, we do "Dada school", as she calls it. I stop working for about 3 hours a day, and we do math, some fun science projects, read stories, teach her maps and geography, that kind of stuff. She pesters ME to do it. Kids love to learn. But the schools have decided that it's "good" to burden them with a bunch of shit they don't need, and "expose them to all methods of thinking available". This just confuses them, and makes it hard. You can't present kids with a laundry list of "ways to do something", and expect them to understand them all and then "pick one" that works for them later in life. Hell, I'm sure you see it with your kids- trying to get one to understand the way the other one learns is not only stupid, it's counterproductive and unnecessary. It's just liberal feel-good crap.

My Dad was a math fucking genius, at least I thought he was, until I had to do math problems on my own. I was quickly educated and sourly in a bad way for a long time until I had to learn it on my own. Assa knows what he needs and wants to do, he is just working his how do I trap this crazy eagle from the sky to my trap.

[rebelp74]

In my job I have to deal with building inspectors, I don't always agree with them but I learned early on that arguing with them wouldn't get me far.

My point is, you don't have to teach her to be a sheep but sometimes playing the game is part of life.

Good point

It's more than a good point. It's life. Assa is the real deal and raises a daughter better than I ever could.

Nu uh

[jehler]

In my job I have to deal with building inspectors, I don't always agree with them but I learned early on that arguing with them wouldn't get me far.

My point is, you don't have to teach her to be a sheep but sometimes playing the game is part of life.

oh fuck man, I put some building inspectors in their place, NEVER give in to those guys without a fight.

[3legged_lab]

In my job I have to deal with building inspectors, I don't always agree with them but I learned early on that arguing with them wouldn't get me far.

My point is, you don't have to teach her to be a sheep but sometimes playing the game is part of life.

oh fuck man, I put some building inspectors in their place, NEVER give in to those guys without a fight.

I did that once and that mother fucker had a target on my back for years. He would pin me on anything he could. Now I play their game and say , "yessa massa", then ask him how his elk hunt went. After he shows phone pics and tells a half hour story about the stalk I get away with shit that other shops don't.
Call it what you want but it makes life easy.

[rozzo842]

In my job I have to deal with building inspectors, I don't always agree with them but I learned early on that arguing with them wouldn't get me far.

My point is, you don't have to teach her to be a sheep but sometimes playing the game is part of life.

oh fuck man, I put some building inspectors in their place, NEVER give in to those guys without a fight.

I did that once and that mother fucker had a target on my back for years. He would pin me on anything he could. Now I play their game and say , "yessa massa", then ask him how his elk hunt went. After he shows phone pics and tells a half hour story about the stalk I get away with shit that other shops don't.
Call it what you want but it makes life easy.

There's no winning with the inspectors, I've tried. All they have to do is pull out that little clause "authority has jurisdiction" and all bets are off. If they want it they get it whether its in the code book or not.

[Redbeard]

Today's lunch...Dutch apple pie

[assateague]

Yep, it's that time again. While it's not written in the order the teacher "wanted", please tell me why this is wrong. Please. For the love of all that's holy, someone talk me down.

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[assateague]

And then there's the report card. For "behavior traits", check out the reason she got a decent grade. While I get it, the reason hits me right in the gut. I understand it's necessary, but it just fucking gets me. The collective Borg mentality they put forth.

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