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The flight 370 thing is interesting as hell. Watching all these news people crybaby about, "we have no real facts" but stay tuned...

I propose that we do a cost analysis on a design idea I have. The idea is to equip an aircraft with a satellite phone and have the phone active during a 12-hour flight.

Satellite phones I looked at were about $300. How much is the service and what type of location data is available to service providers.

There will certainly be demand for such a device.

Doesn't the coast guard require such a device on sailboats in the ocean? A coastie would know. Tell us how much it'd cost to put the same thing on aircraft.

That technolgy is beyond our time. Market that shit.

Do it betty, you're a pioneer. Nobody else has thought of this shit yet.

aunt betty wrote:Doesn't the coast guard require such a device on sailboats in the ocean? A coastie would know. Tell us how much it'd cost to put the same thing on aircraft.

An Emergency Position Indicating Radio Beacon or EPIRB is used to alert search and rescue services in the event of an emergency.It does this by transmitting a coded message on the 406 MHz distress frequency via satellite and earth stations to the nearest rescue co-ordination centre.

Some EPIRBs also have built-in GPS which enables the rescue services to accurately locate you to +/- 50 .

ohioduck wrote:

aunt betty wrote:Doesn't the coast guard require such a device on sailboats in the ocean? A coastie would know. Tell us how much it'd cost to put the same thing on aircraft.

An Emergency Position Indicating Radio Beacon or EPIRB is used to alert search and rescue services in the event of an emergency.It does this by transmitting a coded message on the 406 MHz distress frequency via satellite and earth stations to the nearest rescue co-ordination centre.

Some EPIRBs also have built-in GPS which enables the rescue services to accurately locate you to +/- 50 .

Copy and paste from wiki?

3legged_lab wrote:

ohioduck wrote:

aunt betty wrote:Doesn't the coast guard require such a device on sailboats in the ocean? A coastie would know. Tell us how much it'd cost to put the same thing on aircraft.

An Emergency Position Indicating Radio Beacon or EPIRB is used to alert search and rescue services in the event of an emergency.It does this by transmitting a coded message on the 406 MHz distress frequency via satellite and earth stations to the nearest rescue co-ordination centre.

Some EPIRBs also have built-in GPS which enables the rescue services to accurately locate you to +/- 50 .

Copy and paste from wiki?

Yeah. been a while since I've delt with an Epirb.

I figured something already existed but why would it be required on a sailboat but not a commercial aircraft?
Seems like a no-Brainer.

aunt betty wrote:I figured something already existed but why would it be required on a sailboat but not a commercial aircraft?
Seems like a no-Brainer.

It isn't required on a boat. They require a ship to shore radio, life jackets, throw-able flotation, flares, fire extinguisher and a horn.

Woody wrote:

aunt betty wrote:I figured something already existed but why would it be required on a sailboat but not a commercial aircraft?
Seems like a no-Brainer.

It isn't required on a boat. They require a ship to shore radio, life jackets, throw-able flotation, flares, fire extinguisher and a horn.

You sure Woody
http://law.justia.com/cfr/title46/46-1.0.1.3.17.4.html
§ 25.26-5 Commercial fishing industry vessels.
(a) The owner of a fishing vessel, a fish processing vessel, or a fish tender vessel, 11 meters (36 feet) or more in length, except for vessels described in paragraph (b) or (c) of this section, shall ensure that the vessel does not operate on the high seas or beyond three miles from the coastline of the Great Lakes unless it has on board a float-free, automatically activated Category 1 406 MHz EPIRB stowed in a manner so that it will float-free if the vessel sinks.
(b) The owner of a fishing vessel, fish processing vessel, or a fish tender vessel less than 11 meters (36 feet) in length, or 11 meters or more in length which has a builder's certification that the vessel is constructed with sufficient inherently buoyant material to keep the flooded vessel afloat, shall ensure that the vessel does not operate on the high seas or beyond three miles from the coastline of the Great Lakes, unless it has installed in a readily accessible location at or near the principal steering station—
(1) A manually activated Category 2 406 MHz EPIRB; or
(2) A float-free, automatically activated Category 1 406 MHz EPIRB.
(3) Until February 1, 1998, a 121.5/243.0 MHz EPIRB meeting §25.26–30.
(c) The owner of a fishing vessel, fish processing vessel or a fish tender vessel 11 meters (36 feet) or more in length that does not have installed galley or berthing facilities, shall ensure that the vessel does not operate on the high seas or beyond three miles from the coastline of the Great Lakes unless it has on board a float-free, automatically activated Category 1 406 MHz EPIRB stowed in a manner so that it will float free if the vessel sinks.

ohioduck wrote:

Woody wrote:

aunt betty wrote:I figured something already existed but why would it be required on a sailboat but not a commercial aircraft?
Seems like a no-Brainer.

It isn't required on a boat. They require a ship to shore radio, life jackets, throw-able flotation, flares, fire extinguisher and a horn.

You sure Woody
http://law.justia.com/cfr/title46/46-1.0.1.3.17.4.html
§ 25.26-5 Commercial fishing industry vessels.
(a) The owner of a fishing vessel, a fish processing vessel, or a fish tender vessel, 11 meters (36 feet) or more in length, except for vessels described in paragraph (b) or (c) of this section, shall ensure that the vessel does not operate on the high seas or beyond three miles from the coastline of the Great Lakes unless it has on board a float-free, automatically activated Category 1 406 MHz EPIRB stowed in a manner so that it will float-free if the vessel sinks.
(b) The owner of a fishing vessel, fish processing vessel, or a fish tender vessel less than 11 meters (36 feet) in length, or 11 meters or more in length which has a builder's certification that the vessel is constructed with sufficient inherently buoyant material to keep the flooded vessel afloat, shall ensure that the vessel does not operate on the high seas or beyond three miles from the coastline of the Great Lakes, unless it has installed in a readily accessible location at or near the principal steering station—
(1) A manually activated Category 2 406 MHz EPIRB; or
(2) A float-free, automatically activated Category 1 406 MHz EPIRB.
(3) Until February 1, 1998, a 121.5/243.0 MHz EPIRB meeting §25.26–30.
(c) The owner of a fishing vessel, fish processing vessel or a fish tender vessel 11 meters (36 feet) or more in length that does not have installed galley or berthing facilities, shall ensure that the vessel does not operate on the high seas or beyond three miles from the coastline of the Great Lakes unless it has on board a float-free, automatically activated Category 1 406 MHz EPIRB stowed in a manner so that it will float free if the vessel sinks.

That's not all boats.

I don't know of any commercial fishing sailboats.

Woody wrote:

ohioduck wrote:

Woody wrote:

aunt betty wrote:I figured something already existed but why would it be required on a sailboat but not a commercial aircraft?
Seems like a no-Brainer.

It isn't required on a boat. They require a ship to shore radio, life jackets, throw-able flotation, flares, fire extinguisher and a horn.

You sure Woody
http://law.justia.com/cfr/title46/46-1.0.1.3.17.4.html
§ 25.26-5 Commercial fishing industry vessels.
(a) The owner of a fishing vessel, a fish processing vessel, or a fish tender vessel, 11 meters (36 feet) or more in length, except for vessels described in paragraph (b) or (c) of this section, shall ensure that the vessel does not operate on the high seas or beyond three miles from the coastline of the Great Lakes unless it has on board a float-free, automatically activated Category 1 406 MHz EPIRB stowed in a manner so that it will float-free if the vessel sinks.
(b) The owner of a fishing vessel, fish processing vessel, or a fish tender vessel less than 11 meters (36 feet) in length, or 11 meters or more in length which has a builder's certification that the vessel is constructed with sufficient inherently buoyant material to keep the flooded vessel afloat, shall ensure that the vessel does not operate on the high seas or beyond three miles from the coastline of the Great Lakes, unless it has installed in a readily accessible location at or near the principal steering station—
(1) A manually activated Category 2 406 MHz EPIRB; or
(2) A float-free, automatically activated Category 1 406 MHz EPIRB.
(3) Until February 1, 1998, a 121.5/243.0 MHz EPIRB meeting §25.26–30.
(c) The owner of a fishing vessel, fish processing vessel or a fish tender vessel 11 meters (36 feet) or more in length that does not have installed galley or berthing facilities, shall ensure that the vessel does not operate on the high seas or beyond three miles from the coastline of the Great Lakes unless it has on board a float-free, automatically activated Category 1 406 MHz EPIRB stowed in a manner so that it will float free if the vessel sinks.

That's not all boats.

In general, U.S. commercial fishing vessels, uninspected passenger vessels that carry six or more people and uninspected commercial vessels are the only vessels legally required to carry an EPIRB. Regardless of the requirements, if you operate a vessel, an emergency beacon could be just as instrumental as wearing a life jacket in saving your life. - See more at: http://coastguard.dodlive.mil/2011/05/w ... KIP3x.dpuf


Ok but it is required on some boats. Not on sailboats or the pink meat.

Woody wrote:

aunt betty wrote:I figured something already existed but why would it be required on a sailboat but not a commercial aircraft?
Seems like a no-Brainer.

It isn't required on a boat. They require a ship to shore radio, life jackets, throw-able flotation, flares, fire extinguisher and a horn.

If you are on inland waters you are not required to have flares and not all boats are required throwables.

I am actually a little surprised AB had no clue these existed.

ohioduck wrote:

Woody wrote:

aunt betty wrote:I figured something already existed but why would it be required on a sailboat but not a commercial aircraft?
Seems like a no-Brainer.

It isn't required on a boat. They require a ship to shore radio, life jackets, throw-able flotation, flares, fire extinguisher and a horn.

If you are on inland waters you are not required to have flares and not all boats are required throwables.

http://www.boatus.com/foundation/guide/equipment_6.html

everything to 65ft i know for sure does...

Woody wrote:

ohioduck wrote:

Woody wrote:

aunt betty wrote:I figured something already existed but why would it be required on a sailboat but not a commercial aircraft?
Seems like a no-Brainer.

It isn't required on a boat. They require a ship to shore radio, life jackets, throw-able flotation, flares, fire extinguisher and a horn.

If you are on inland waters you are not required to have flares and not all boats are required throwables.

http://www.boatus.com/foundation/guide/equipment_6.html

everything to 65ft i know for sure does...

16 feet and smaller do not require them
http://www.uscgboating.org/fedreqs/default.html Page 10

ohioduck wrote:

aunt betty wrote:Doesn't the coast guard require such a device on sailboats in the ocean? A coastie would know. Tell us how much it'd cost to put the same thing on aircraft.

An Emergency Position Indicating Radio Beacon or EPIRB is used to alert search and rescue services in the event of an emergency.It does this by transmitting a coded message on the 406 MHz distress frequency via satellite and earth stations to the nearest rescue co-ordination centre.

Some EPIRBs also have built-in GPS which enables the rescue services to accurately locate you to +/- 50 .

Just don't forget that mofo if you have to abandon ship.

ohioduck wrote:

Woody wrote:

ohioduck wrote:

Woody wrote:

aunt betty wrote:I figured something already existed but why would it be required on a sailboat but not a commercial aircraft?
Seems like a no-Brainer.

It isn't required on a boat. They require a ship to shore radio, life jackets, throw-able flotation, flares, fire extinguisher and a horn.

If you are on inland waters you are not required to have flares and not all boats are required throwables.

http://www.boatus.com/foundation/guide/equipment_6.html

everything to 65ft i know for sure does...

16 feet and smaller do not require them
http://www.uscgboating.org/fedreqs/default.html Page 10

boats under 18ft are all kayaks.

I have a 12 foot canoe. what about jetskis ???

ohioduck wrote:I have a 12 foot canoe. what about jetskis ???

PWC

Woody wrote:

ohioduck wrote:I have a 12 foot canoe. what about jetskis ???

PWC

We need to get Olly to get us the updated regs.

WFM probably knows more on this subject than the rest of us. I've never been part of the deck side so I don't know much about that side of vessel requirements.

I was a boarding officer in the Coast Guard 12 years ago. WFM would definitely know better than me .

ohioduck wrote:I was a boarding officer in the Coast Guard 12 years ago. WFM would definitely know better than me .

We're enemies now.

rebelp74 wrote:

ohioduck wrote:I was a boarding officer in the Coast Guard 12 years ago. WFM would definitely know better than me .

We're enemies now.

WHY...

ohioduck wrote:

rebelp74 wrote:

ohioduck wrote:I was a boarding officer in the Coast Guard 12 years ago. WFM would definitely know better than me .

We're enemies now.

WHY...

I'm a chief engineer, and y'all can sometimes make it hard. I can say at work I've ran into mostly laid back inspectors but on my personal boat it's been more than a rough go.

rebelp74 wrote:

ohioduck wrote:

rebelp74 wrote:

ohioduck wrote:I was a boarding officer in the Coast Guard 12 years ago. WFM would definitely know better than me .

We're enemies now.

WHY...

I'm a chief engineer, and y'all can sometimes make it hard. I can say at work I've ran into mostly laid back inspectors but on my personal boat it's been more than a rough go.

I hated every minute of it. I was more likely to let you go with a warning. I hated the paperwork and bullshit. The big stuff I couldn't let slide the safety stuff. There are some that nitpick the shit out of boats. I would rather run search patterns all night and do the Search and rescue side. I was a boat engineer I was more apt to be asleep somewhere than doing boardings.

rebelp74 wrote:

ohioduck wrote:I was a boarding officer in the Coast Guard 12 years ago. WFM would definitely know better than me .

We're enemies now.

Haha

The sailboats I refer to are the ones like people try and circumnavigate with.