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[capt1972]

Just a note to you. A load that works great at 300 might not do worth a shit at 1 or 2. Take for example my 7x57 Mauser. At 300 it piles 162 A-Maxs on top of one another. That same load at 100 throws them all over the fuckin' place like a machine gun.

This is probably the dumbest thing I've read in a while. Just sayin.

I was thinking the same thing. Never heard of a sidewinder bullet that consistently hits as 300 yards. Would be good for shooting around trees.

if its dead on at 3 then it has to deader oner at 1 and 2!

And X2!

[jarbo03]

Magic bullets, that spiral back in at 300, geometry be damned.

Some Matrix shit.

[capt1972]

Magic bullets, that spiral back in at 300, geometry be damned.

Some Matrix shit.

[R. Chapman]

Judges?


Ruling on the field still stands. You are claiming 1/6 MOA on a 5 shot group out of a TC Venture no matter how you cut it. You are sure you want to claim that center to center, your 5 shots at 300 yards were 2/3's the size of a dime.

I didn't say I shot the group. Gene is the one who did it and has 2 other confirmations that he did.

[R. Chapman]

Just a note to you. A load that works great at 300 might not do worth a shit at 1 or 2. Take for example my 7x57 Mauser. At 300 it piles 162 A-Maxs on top of one another. That same load at 100 throws them all over the fuckin' place like a machine gun.

This is probably the dumbest thing I've read in a while. Just sayin.

I was thinking the same thing. Never heard of a sidewinder bullet that consistently hits as 300 yards. Would be good for shooting around trees.

if its dead on at 3 then it has to deader oner at 1 and 2!

And X2!

Depends on the type of bullet your shooting and the rate of twist in your barrel. That's why I say you can have a hell of a load at 3000 that won't group inside a diameter of a basketball at 100.

[NuffDaddy]

Just a note to you. A load that works great at 300 might not do worth a shit at 1 or 2. Take for example my 7x57 Mauser. At 300 it piles 162 A-Maxs on top of one another. That same load at 100 throws them all over the fuckin' place like a machine gun.

This is probably the dumbest thing I've read in a while. Just sayin.

I was thinking the same thing. Never heard of a sidewinder bullet that consistently hits as 300 yards. Would be good for shooting around trees.

if its dead on at 3 then it has to deader oner at 1 and 2!

And X2!

Depends on the type of bullet your shooting and the rate of twist in your barrel. That's why I say you can have a hell of a load at 3000 that won't group inside a diameter of a basketball at 100.

Quit while your behind. I know nothing about ballistics and know that's a load of shit. A bullet can't be off 6" and 100 yards and dead in at 300.

[R. Chapman]

Just a note to you. A load that works great at 300 might not do worth a shit at 1 or 2. Take for example my 7x57 Mauser. At 300 it piles 162 A-Maxs on top of one another. That same load at 100 throws them all over the fuckin' place like a machine gun.

This is probably the dumbest thing I've read in a while. Just sayin.

I was thinking the same thing. Never heard of a sidewinder bullet that consistently hits as 300 yards. Would be good for shooting around trees.

if its dead on at 3 then it has to deader oner at 1 and 2!

And X2!

Depends on the type of bullet your shooting and the rate of twist in your barrel. That's why I say you can have a hell of a load at 3000 that won't group inside a diameter of a basketball at 100.

Quit while your behind. I know nothing about ballistics and know that's a load of shit. A bullet can't be off 6" and 100 yards and dead in at 300.

I'm talking about shooting groups not precision shooting.

[NuffDaddy]

Just a note to you. A load that works great at 300 might not do worth a shit at 1 or 2. Take for example my 7x57 Mauser. At 300 it piles 162 A-Maxs on top of one another. That same load at 100 throws them all over the fuckin' place like a machine gun.

This is probably the dumbest thing I've read in a while. Just sayin.

I was thinking the same thing. Never heard of a sidewinder bullet that consistently hits as 300 yards. Would be good for shooting around trees.

if its dead on at 3 then it has to deader oner at 1 and 2!

And X2!

Depends on the type of bullet your shooting and the rate of twist in your barrel. That's why I say you can have a hell of a load at 3000 that won't group inside a diameter of a basketball at 100.

Quit while your behind. I know nothing about ballistics and know that's a load of shit. A bullet can't be off 6" and 100 yards and dead in at 300.

I'm talking about shooting groups not precision shooting.

Me too. If a bullet has a 1" group at 300 yards it will have <1" group at 100 yards. That's just common seance. Bullets don't spin in circles they magically find the spot at 300 yards.

[3legged_lab]

Ooofffff, I dont know why I keep reading this shit

[3legged_lab]

Ooofffff, I dont know why I keep reading this shit

[R. Chapman]

Just a note to you. A load that works great at 300 might not do worth a shit at 1 or 2. Take for example my 7x57 Mauser. At 300 it piles 162 A-Maxs on top of one another. That same load at 100 throws them all over the fuckin' place like a machine gun.

This is probably the dumbest thing I've read in a while. Just sayin.

I was thinking the same thing. Never heard of a sidewinder bullet that consistently hits as 300 yards. Would be good for shooting around trees.

if its dead on at 3 then it has to deader oner at 1 and 2!

And X2!

Depends on the type of bullet your shooting and the rate of twist in your barrel. That's why I say you can have a hell of a load at 3000 that won't group inside a diameter of a basketball at 100.

Quit while your behind. I know nothing about ballistics and know that's a load of shit. A bullet can't be off 6" and 100 yards and dead in at 300.

I'm talking about shooting groups not precision shooting.

Me too. If a bullet has a 1" group at 300 yards it will have <1" group at 100 yards. That's just common seance. Bullets don't spin in circles they magically find the spot at 300 yards.

So your telling me that if a 5 bullets group into 1" at 100 that it'll do that at 500? Or 1000? Hell no.

[R. Chapman]

Just a note to you. A load that works great at 300 might not do worth a shit at 1 or 2. Take for example my 7x57 Mauser. At 300 it piles 162 A-Maxs on top of one another. That same load at 100 throws them all over the fuckin' place like a machine gun.

This is probably the dumbest thing I've read in a while. Just sayin.

I was thinking the same thing. Never heard of a sidewinder bullet that consistently hits as 300 yards. Would be good for shooting around trees.

if its dead on at 3 then it has to deader oner at 1 and 2!

And X2!

Depends on the type of bullet your shooting and the rate of twist in your barrel. That's why I say you can have a hell of a load at 3000 that won't group inside a diameter of a basketball at 100.

Quit while your behind. I know nothing about ballistics and know that's a load of shit. A bullet can't be off 6" and 100 yards and dead in at 300.

I'm talking about shooting groups not precision shooting.

Me too. If a bullet has a 1" group at 300 yards it will have <1" group at 100 yards. That's just common seance. Bullets don't spin in circles they magically find the spot at 300 yards.

So your telling me that if a 5 bullets group into 1" at 100 that it'll do that at 500? Or 1000? Hell no.

[huntfishnv]

I thought that groups got bigger with distance, not smaller.

[NuffDaddy]

Just a note to you. A load that works great at 300 might not do worth a shit at 1 or 2. Take for example my 7x57 Mauser. At 300 it piles 162 A-Maxs on top of one another. That same load at 100 throws them all over the fuckin' place like a machine gun.

This is probably the dumbest thing I've read in a while. Just sayin.

I was thinking the same thing. Never heard of a sidewinder bullet that consistently hits as 300 yards. Would be good for shooting around trees.

if its dead on at 3 then it has to deader oner at 1 and 2!

And X2!

Depends on the type of bullet your shooting and the rate of twist in your barrel. That's why I say you can have a hell of a load at 3000 that won't group inside a diameter of a basketball at 100.

Quit while your behind. I know nothing about ballistics and know that's a load of shit. A bullet can't be off 6" and 100 yards and dead in at 300.

I'm talking about shooting groups not precision shooting.

Me too. If a bullet has a 1" group at 300 yards it will have <1" group at 100 yards. That's just common seance. Bullets don't spin in circles they magically find the spot at 300 yards.

So your telling me that if a 5 bullets group into 1" at 100 that it'll do that at 500? Or 1000? Hell no.

No. I'm telling you the opposite. If they group 1" at 500, then they will group better than 1" at 100.

[The Duck Hammer]

I thought that groups got bigger with distance not smaller.

X2 but I'm no expert like Rex Mother Fuckin Chapman.

[R. Chapman]

Just a note to you. A load that works great at 300 might not do worth a shit at 1 or 2. Take for example my 7x57 Mauser. At 300 it piles 162 A-Maxs on top of one another. That same load at 100 throws them all over the fuckin' place like a machine gun.

This is probably the dumbest thing I've read in a while. Just sayin.

I was thinking the same thing. Never heard of a sidewinder bullet that consistently hits as 300 yards. Would be good for shooting around trees.

if its dead on at 3 then it has to deader oner at 1 and 2!

And X2!

Depends on the type of bullet your shooting and the rate of twist in your barrel. That's why I say you can have a hell of a load at 3000 that won't group inside a diameter of a basketball at 100.

Quit while your behind. I know nothing about ballistics and know that's a load of shit. A bullet can't be off 6" and 100 yards and dead in at 300.

I'm talking about shooting groups not precision shooting.

Me too. If a bullet has a 1" group at 300 yards it will have <1" group at 100 yards. That's just common seance. Bullets don't spin in circles they magically find the spot at 300 yards.

So your telling me that if a 5 bullets group into 1" at 100 that it'll do that at 500? Or 1000? Hell no.

No. I'm telling you the opposite. If they group 1" at 500, then they will group better than 1" at 100.

Not necessarily. Take a boat tail bullet for example like a scenar. Sometimes it won't have stabilized enough to fly "straight" so to speak so at 100 it might be flying crooked. That can make a 3-4 inch group or more. Now it gets too about 250, half it's way to 500, and it starts stabilizing completely, flying "straight", and when it reaches 500, it puts 3 into 3.5", get what I'm saying?

[T Man]

Judges?


Ruling on the field still stands. You are claiming 1/6 MOA on a 5 shot group out of a TC Venture no matter how you cut it. You are sure you want to claim that center to center, your 5 shots at 300 yards were 2/3's the size of a dime.

I didn't say I shot the group. Gene is the one who did it and has 2 other confirmations that he did.

What does a set of dial calipers zeroed to the size of a dime have a damn thing to do with anything? I have a set of digital calipers, if I zero them to the head of a push pin and take a picture will you realize your "buddy" is full of shit and just trying to sell you a cheap rifle he doesn't want anymore?

[The Duck Hammer]

Just a note to you. A load that works great at 300 might not do worth a shit at 1 or 2. Take for example my 7x57 Mauser. At 300 it piles 162 A-Maxs on top of one another. That same load at 100 throws them all over the fuckin' place like a machine gun.

This is probably the dumbest thing I've read in a while. Just sayin.

I was thinking the same thing. Never heard of a sidewinder bullet that consistently hits as 300 yards. Would be good for shooting around trees.

if its dead on at 3 then it has to deader oner at 1 and 2!

And X2!

Depends on the type of bullet your shooting and the rate of twist in your barrel. That's why I say you can have a hell of a load at 3000 that won't group inside a diameter of a basketball at 100.

Quit while your behind. I know nothing about ballistics and know that's a load of shit. A bullet can't be off 6" and 100 yards and dead in at 300.

I'm talking about shooting groups not precision shooting.

Me too. If a bullet has a 1" group at 300 yards it will have <1" group at 100 yards. That's just common seance. Bullets don't spin in circles they magically find the spot at 300 yards.

So your telling me that if a 5 bullets group into 1" at 100 that it'll do that at 500? Or 1000? Hell no.

No. I'm telling you the opposite. If they group 1" at 500, then they will group better than 1" at 100.

Not necessarily. Take a boat tail bullet for example like a scenar. Sometimes it won't have stabilized enough to fly "straight" so to speak so at 100 it might be flying crooked. That can make a 3-4 inch group or more. Now it gets too about 250, half it's way to 500, and it starts stabilizing completely, flying "straight", and when it reaches 500, it puts 3 into 3.5", get what I'm saying?

That makes no sense. If a bullet is unstable it will start tracking off and will stay off once it gets on out there.

[R. Chapman]

Judges?


Ruling on the field still stands. You are claiming 1/6 MOA on a 5 shot group out of a TC Venture no matter how you cut it. You are sure you want to claim that center to center, your 5 shots at 300 yards were 2/3's the size of a dime.

I didn't say I shot the group. Gene is the one who did it and has 2 other confirmations that he did.

What does a set of dial calipers zeroed to the size of a dime have a damn thing to do with anything? I have a set of digital calipers, if I zero them to the head of a push pin and take a picture will you realize your "buddy" is full of shit and just trying to sell you a cheap rifle he doesn't want anymore?

Fine, maybe he's full of fucking shit for all I know. He doesn't want the damn thing because he has too many guns to play with. Got over 7 different .308s, plus .260s, .243s, .30-06s, 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser, .30-30s and .32 specials an so on.

[NuffDaddy]

Just a note to you. A load that works great at 300 might not do worth a shit at 1 or 2. Take for example my 7x57 Mauser. At 300 it piles 162 A-Maxs on top of one another. That same load at 100 throws them all over the fuckin' place like a machine gun.

This is probably the dumbest thing I've read in a while. Just sayin.

I was thinking the same thing. Never heard of a sidewinder bullet that consistently hits as 300 yards. Would be good for shooting around trees.

if its dead on at 3 then it has to deader oner at 1 and 2!

And X2!

Depends on the type of bullet your shooting and the rate of twist in your barrel. That's why I say you can have a hell of a load at 3000 that won't group inside a diameter of a basketball at 100.

Quit while your behind. I know nothing about ballistics and know that's a load of shit. A bullet can't be off 6" and 100 yards and dead in at 300.

I'm talking about shooting groups not precision shooting.

Me too. If a bullet has a 1" group at 300 yards it will have <1" group at 100 yards. That's just common seance. Bullets don't spin in circles they magically find the spot at 300 yards.

So your telling me that if a 5 bullets group into 1" at 100 that it'll do that at 500? Or 1000? Hell no.

No. I'm telling you the opposite. If they group 1" at 500, then they will group better than 1" at 100.

Not necessarily. Take a boat tail bullet for example like a scenar. Sometimes it won't have stabilized enough to fly "straight" so to speak so at 100 it might be flying crooked. That can make a 3-4 inch group or more. Now it gets too about 250, half it's way to 500, and it starts stabilizing completely, flying "straight", and when it reaches 500, it puts 3 into 3.5", get what I'm saying?

That makes no sense. If a bullet is unstable it will start tracking off and will stay off once it gets on out there.

Nope. One bullet will go 4" left then realize it's off and get back on track. While his buddy is 6" high and does the same. Never heard of these new bullets?

[capt1972]

Just a note to you. A load that works great at 300 might not do worth a shit at 1 or 2. Take for example my 7x57 Mauser. At 300 it piles 162 A-Maxs on top of one another. That same load at 100 throws them all over the fuckin' place like a machine gun.

This is probably the dumbest thing I've read in a while. Just sayin.

I was thinking the same thing. Never heard of a sidewinder bullet that consistently hits as 300 yards. Would be good for shooting around trees.

if its dead on at 3 then it has to deader oner at 1 and 2!

And X2!

Depends on the type of bullet your shooting and the rate of twist in your barrel. That's why I say you can have a hell of a load at 3000 that won't group inside a diameter of a basketball at 100.

Quit while your behind. I know nothing about ballistics and know that's a load of shit. A bullet can't be off 6" and 100 yards and dead in at 300.

I'm talking about shooting groups not precision shooting.

Me too. If a bullet has a 1" group at 300 yards it will have <1" group at 100 yards. That's just common seance. Bullets don't spin in circles they magically find the spot at 300 yards.

So your telling me that if a 5 bullets group into 1" at 100 that it'll do that at 500? Or 1000? Hell no.

No. I'm telling you the opposite. If they group 1" at 500, then they will group better than 1" at 100.

Not necessarily. Take a boat tail bullet for example like a scenar. Sometimes it won't have stabilized enough to fly "straight" so to speak so at 100 it might be flying crooked. That can make a 3-4 inch group or more. Now it gets too about 250, half it's way to 500, and it starts stabilizing completely, flying "straight", and when it reaches 500, it puts 3 into 3.5", get what I'm saying?

That makes no sense. If a bullet is unstable it will start tracking off and will stay off once it gets on out there.

I think he's confusing bullets and arrows.

[The Duck Hammer]

Just a note to you. A load that works great at 300 might not do worth a shit at 1 or 2. Take for example my 7x57 Mauser. At 300 it piles 162 A-Maxs on top of one another. That same load at 100 throws them all over the fuckin' place like a machine gun.

This is probably the dumbest thing I've read in a while. Just sayin.

I was thinking the same thing. Never heard of a sidewinder bullet that consistently hits as 300 yards. Would be good for shooting around trees.

if its dead on at 3 then it has to deader oner at 1 and 2!

And X2!

Depends on the type of bullet your shooting and the rate of twist in your barrel. That's why I say you can have a hell of a load at 3000 that won't group inside a diameter of a basketball at 100.

Quit while your behind. I know nothing about ballistics and know that's a load of shit. A bullet can't be off 6" and 100 yards and dead in at 300.

I'm talking about shooting groups not precision shooting.

Me too. If a bullet has a 1" group at 300 yards it will have <1" group at 100 yards. That's just common seance. Bullets don't spin in circles they magically find the spot at 300 yards.

So your telling me that if a 5 bullets group into 1" at 100 that it'll do that at 500? Or 1000? Hell no.

No. I'm telling you the opposite. If they group 1" at 500, then they will group better than 1" at 100.

Not necessarily. Take a boat tail bullet for example like a scenar. Sometimes it won't have stabilized enough to fly "straight" so to speak so at 100 it might be flying crooked. That can make a 3-4 inch group or more. Now it gets too about 250, half it's way to 500, and it starts stabilizing completely, flying "straight", and when it reaches 500, it puts 3 into 3.5", get what I'm saying?

That makes no sense. If a bullet is unstable it will start tracking off and will stay off once it gets on out there.

Nope. One bullet will go 4" left then realize it's off and get back on track. While his buddy is 6" high and does the same. Never heard of these new bullets?

Negative. But I have shot one of these...

[R. Chapman]

No, I'm not.

[NuffDaddy]

Just a note to you. A load that works great at 300 might not do worth a shit at 1 or 2. Take for example my 7x57 Mauser. At 300 it piles 162 A-Maxs on top of one another. That same load at 100 throws them all over the fuckin' place like a machine gun.

This is probably the dumbest thing I've read in a while. Just sayin.

I was thinking the same thing. Never heard of a sidewinder bullet that consistently hits as 300 yards. Would be good for shooting around trees.

if its dead on at 3 then it has to deader oner at 1 and 2!

And X2!

Depends on the type of bullet your shooting and the rate of twist in your barrel. That's why I say you can have a hell of a load at 3000 that won't group inside a diameter of a basketball at 100.

Quit while your behind. I know nothing about ballistics and know that's a load of shit. A bullet can't be off 6" and 100 yards and dead in at 300.

I'm talking about shooting groups not precision shooting.

Me too. If a bullet has a 1" group at 300 yards it will have <1" group at 100 yards. That's just common seance. Bullets don't spin in circles they magically find the spot at 300 yards.

So your telling me that if a 5 bullets group into 1" at 100 that it'll do that at 500? Or 1000? Hell no.

No. I'm telling you the opposite. If they group 1" at 500, then they will group better than 1" at 100.

Not necessarily. Take a boat tail bullet for example like a scenar. Sometimes it won't have stabilized enough to fly "straight" so to speak so at 100 it might be flying crooked. That can make a 3-4 inch group or more. Now it gets too about 250, half it's way to 500, and it starts stabilizing completely, flying "straight", and when it reaches 500, it puts 3 into 3.5", get what I'm saying?

That makes no sense. If a bullet is unstable it will start tracking off and will stay off once it gets on out there.

Nope. One bullet will go 4" left then realize it's off and get back on track. While his buddy is 6" high and does the same. Never heard of these new bullets?

Negative. But I have shot one of these...

I believe everything you say

[capt1972]

Just a note to you. A load that works great at 300 might not do worth a shit at 1 or 2. Take for example my 7x57 Mauser. At 300 it piles 162 A-Maxs on top of one another. That same load at 100 throws them all over the fuckin' place like a machine gun.

This is probably the dumbest thing I've read in a while. Just sayin.

I was thinking the same thing. Never heard of a sidewinder bullet that consistently hits as 300 yards. Would be good for shooting around trees.

if its dead on at 3 then it has to deader oner at 1 and 2!

And X2!

Depends on the type of bullet your shooting and the rate of twist in your barrel. That's why I say you can have a hell of a load at 3000 that won't group inside a diameter of a basketball at 100.

Quit while your behind. I know nothing about ballistics and know that's a load of shit. A bullet can't be off 6" and 100 yards and dead in at 300.

I'm talking about shooting groups not precision shooting.

Me too. If a bullet has a 1" group at 300 yards it will have <1" group at 100 yards. That's just common seance. Bullets don't spin in circles they magically find the spot at 300 yards.

So your telling me that if a 5 bullets group into 1" at 100 that it'll do that at 500? Or 1000? Hell no.

No. I'm telling you the opposite. If they group 1" at 500, then they will group better than 1" at 100.

Not necessarily. Take a boat tail bullet for example like a scenar. Sometimes it won't have stabilized enough to fly "straight" so to speak so at 100 it might be flying crooked. That can make a 3-4 inch group or more. Now it gets too about 250, half it's way to 500, and it starts stabilizing completely, flying "straight", and when it reaches 500, it puts 3 into 3.5", get what I'm saying?

That makes no sense. If a bullet is unstable it will start tracking off and will stay off once it gets on out there.

Nope. One bullet will go 4" left then realize it's off and get back on track. While his buddy is 6" high and does the same. Never heard of these new bullets?

Negative. But I have shot one of these...

you gunna make a call out of that horn?

[The Duck Hammer]

Just a note to you. A load that works great at 300 might not do worth a shit at 1 or 2. Take for example my 7x57 Mauser. At 300 it piles 162 A-Maxs on top of one another. That same load at 100 throws them all over the fuckin' place like a machine gun.

This is probably the dumbest thing I've read in a while. Just sayin.

I was thinking the same thing. Never heard of a sidewinder bullet that consistently hits as 300 yards. Would be good for shooting around trees.

if its dead on at 3 then it has to deader oner at 1 and 2!

And X2!

Depends on the type of bullet your shooting and the rate of twist in your barrel. That's why I say you can have a hell of a load at 3000 that won't group inside a diameter of a basketball at 100.

Quit while your behind. I know nothing about ballistics and know that's a load of shit. A bullet can't be off 6" and 100 yards and dead in at 300.

I'm talking about shooting groups not precision shooting.

Me too. If a bullet has a 1" group at 300 yards it will have <1" group at 100 yards. That's just common seance. Bullets don't spin in circles they magically find the spot at 300 yards.

So your telling me that if a 5 bullets group into 1" at 100 that it'll do that at 500? Or 1000? Hell no.

No. I'm telling you the opposite. If they group 1" at 500, then they will group better than 1" at 100.

Not necessarily. Take a boat tail bullet for example like a scenar. Sometimes it won't have stabilized enough to fly "straight" so to speak so at 100 it might be flying crooked. That can make a 3-4 inch group or more. Now it gets too about 250, half it's way to 500, and it starts stabilizing completely, flying "straight", and when it reaches 500, it puts 3 into 3.5", get what I'm saying?

That makes no sense. If a bullet is unstable it will start tracking off and will stay off once it gets on out there.

Nope. One bullet will go 4" left then realize it's off and get back on track. While his buddy is 6" high and does the same. Never heard of these new bullets?

Negative. But I have shot one of these...

you gunna make a call out of that horn?

I've talked to Butch. We're currently in the planning stages on what to do with such precious material.

[jarbo03]

Just a note to you. A load that works great at 300 might not do worth a shit at 1 or 2. Take for example my 7x57 Mauser. At 300 it piles 162 A-Maxs on top of one another. That same load at 100 throws them all over the fuckin' place like a machine gun.

This is probably the dumbest thing I've read in a while. Just sayin.

I was thinking the same thing. Never heard of a sidewinder bullet that consistently hits as 300 yards. Would be good for shooting around trees.

if its dead on at 3 then it has to deader oner at 1 and 2!

And X2!

Depends on the type of bullet your shooting and the rate of twist in your barrel. That's why I say you can have a hell of a load at 3000 that won't group inside a diameter of a basketball at 100.

Quit while your behind. I know nothing about ballistics and know that's a load of shit. A bullet can't be off 6" and 100 yards and dead in at 300.

I'm talking about shooting groups not precision shooting.

Me too. If a bullet has a 1" group at 300 yards it will have <1" group at 100 yards. That's just common seance. Bullets don't spin in circles they magically find the spot at 300 yards.

So your telling me that if a 5 bullets group into 1" at 100 that it'll do that at 500? Or 1000? Hell no.

No. I'm telling you the opposite. If they group 1" at 500, then they will group better than 1" at 100.

Not necessarily. Take a boat tail bullet for example like a scenar. Sometimes it won't have stabilized enough to fly "straight" so to speak so at 100 it might be flying crooked. That can make a 3-4 inch group or more. Now it gets too about 250, half it's way to 500, and it starts stabilizing completely, flying "straight", and when it reaches 500, it puts 3 into 3.5", get what I'm saying?

That makes no sense. If a bullet is unstable it will start tracking off and will stay off once it gets on out there.

Nope. One bullet will go 4" left then realize it's off and get back on track. While his buddy is 6" high and does the same. Never heard of these new bullets?

Negative. But I have shot one of these...

They're delicious.

[DeadEye_Dan]

Technically, Rex has a point.

Many times bullets will be "upset" early in flight, spinning somewhat irregularly around its axis before settling in to its flight path.

Think about a top that spins somewhat wildly until it sheds some initial speed then settles into a smooth spin, until it slows enough that it starts wobbling and falls.
Same thing with a bullet and the reason why max loads rarely produce the most accurate loads in any given caliber.

However - in practice the amount of initial "wobble" in a bullet is fairly small And there is no way that a gun would be shooting a "basketball" sized groups at 100 and MOA at 300.

Just not possible. The name of the game is consistency - 100-200-300-1000, doesn't matter - the bullet has to be doing exactly the same thing every time in order to produce small groups at any range.

[capt1972]

[The Duck Hammer]

Technically, Rex has a point.

Many times bullets will be "upset" early in flight, spinning somewhat irregularly around its axis before settling in to its flight path.

Think about a top that spins somewhat wildly until it sheds some initial speed then settles into a smooth spin, until it slows enough that it starts wobbling and falls.
Same thing with a bullet and the reason why max loads rarely produce the most accurate loads in any given caliber.

However - in practice the amount of initial "wobble" in a bullet is fairly small And there is no way that a gun would be shooting a "basketball" sized groups at 100 and MOA at 300.

Just not possible. The name of the game is consistency - 100-200-300-1000, doesn't matter - the bullet has to be doing exactly the same thing every time in order to produce small groups at any range.

This makes a lot more sense.