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[Olly]

They should probably wait til things settle a little before they rattle cages. Lol

No way. Do nothing to appease them.

[3legged_lab]

They should probably wait til things settle a little before they rattle cages. Lol

No way. Do nothing to appease them.

Typical Olly, poke the bear. I didnt say they should bend over and take it in the pooper.

[The Duck Hammer]

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[Olly]

They should probably wait til things settle a little before they rattle cages. Lol

No way. Do nothing to appease them.

Typical Olly, poke the bear. I didnt say they should bend over and take it in the pooper.

Yup fuck them and their outrageously illegal and unconstitutional reaches. Look at them like schmucks raiding a small American business like they are about to kick in Osama's door.

What a joke and a waste of tax dollars.

[waterfowlman]

From Ares Armor's facebook page. Made me laugh.

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Looks like some WFF members we know.

[huntall6]

Federal ATF officers search new Bakersfield armory and home

BAKERSFIELD, Calif. - The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives searched a business and Bakersfield home Friday.

EP Armory is owned by Chris Cook. The business opened a storefront March 1 on District Boulevard near Gosford Road.

The store was closed today while agents searched it.

A home belonging to Chris Cook on Holabird Avenue was also searched.

"Obviously when somebody is going through all of your personal things it's pretty unnerving," said EP Armory owner Chris Cook.

The ATF was not able to provide information on the on-going investigation. Grahm Barlowe with the ATF declined to comment on why the store was targeted or exactly what agents were looking for.

Cook said agents told him they were looking for illegal firearms.

The ATF did not prohibit EP Armory from reopening and they did so around 5:30 p.m. Friday.

But it goes further than that. They're demanding customer records.

California-based gun company Ares Armor is currently fending off efforts from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives to seize not only their 80 percent AR lowers but also the names of 5,000 customers who bought them.

The company has filed a restraining order against a pending ATF raid on the company, which, according to Dimitrios Karras, CEO of Ares Armor, was communicated to him through his lawyer on March 10.

“I was advised that the BATFE had offered to forego obtaining a warrant if Ares Armor was willing to: (a) Hand over all of EP Armory’s 80 percent Lowers, (b) Turn over Ares Armor customer’s private information to the BATFE,” said Karras in a statement.

“In exchange for turning over our customer’s private information, the BATFE said that they would not ‘raid Ares Armor’s facilities and would not pursue ‘criminal’ charges. This made me feel as if I was being extorted,” said Karras.

At the heart of the matter is a series of polymer AR-style 80 percent lowers that Ares had purchased from EP Armory and was reselling. The ATF has argued, based on a determination letter, that the lower is a regulated firearm and not a gun part.

According to Karras, the ATF has incorrectly classified the EP Armory product as a firearm based on faulty information and contends that it is no different from others he has sold in the past. Bakersfield-based EP Armory itself, as well as the home of its owner Chris Cook, was the target of an ATF raid on March 7.

“It seems like ATF is taking the view that the lowers are legally a ‘firearm’ under the Gun Control Act because the can be ‘readily converted’ to a ‘firearm’ So in ATF’s mind they are transferring a ‘firearm” without a NICS check,’ a firearms industry explained to Guns.com Thursday on condition of anonymity.

“While people speak of it, there is no ’80% rule’ The problem is ATF cannot give any meaningful guidance as to when a piece of metal is just a piece of metal and when it is a ‘receiver’ (a ‘firearm’). In part this is because the case law interpreting ‘readily convertible’ is all over the map, up to and including access to a machine shop for a week,” the expert elaborated.

Karras has obtained a Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) from a federal district judge in this matter and is vowing not to turn over any names to the ATF.

“The BATFE has expressed interest in obtaining Ares Armor’s customer list in the past and is now attempting to strong-arm us with undue threats based on information they know to be incorrect. Our customer’s privacy is of the utmost importance to us. I cannot in good moral conscience turn over a list of names to the BATFE just because they unduly threaten us with an unjust raid based on information they know to be false,” Karras wrote on his company’s website.

Ares, a veteran-owned small business in National City, California, is no stranger to controversy, having recently fended off assaults by the city over its rooftop sign. The sign, with an image of an AR-15, has the words “Unserialized. No Registration. Legal.” across the bottom.

As of Thursday the company is still listing several 80 percent lowers for sale on their site, with the exception of the polymer EP lowers.

The ATF advised Guns.com they do not comment on ongoing investigations.

Both Ares and the ATF are set to face off in court on March 20 for a preliminary injunction hearing. Until then, Karras states that, “I am now in constant fear for the safety of my employees, my customers and myself.”

I guess I won't be able to make one now. Sucks that I ran the drill right through the side of mine. Oh well.

Fuck that. I have ar's. they wanna come get em, let them try.

[Bufflehead]

The security camera pics are great

[Tiler_J]

Federal ATF officers search new Bakersfield armory and home

BAKERSFIELD, Calif. - The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives searched a business and Bakersfield home Friday.

EP Armory is owned by Chris Cook. The business opened a storefront March 1 on District Boulevard near Gosford Road.

The store was closed today while agents searched it.

A home belonging to Chris Cook on Holabird Avenue was also searched.

"Obviously when somebody is going through all of your personal things it's pretty unnerving," said EP Armory owner Chris Cook.

The ATF was not able to provide information on the on-going investigation. Grahm Barlowe with the ATF declined to comment on why the store was targeted or exactly what agents were looking for.

Cook said agents told him they were looking for illegal firearms.

The ATF did not prohibit EP Armory from reopening and they did so around 5:30 p.m. Friday.

But it goes further than that. They're demanding customer records.

California-based gun company Ares Armor is currently fending off efforts from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives to seize not only their 80 percent AR lowers but also the names of 5,000 customers who bought them.

The company has filed a restraining order against a pending ATF raid on the company, which, according to Dimitrios Karras, CEO of Ares Armor, was communicated to him through his lawyer on March 10.

“I was advised that the BATFE had offered to forego obtaining a warrant if Ares Armor was willing to: (a) Hand over all of EP Armory’s 80 percent Lowers, (b) Turn over Ares Armor customer’s private information to the BATFE,” said Karras in a statement.

“In exchange for turning over our customer’s private information, the BATFE said that they would not ‘raid Ares Armor’s facilities and would not pursue ‘criminal’ charges. This made me feel as if I was being extorted,” said Karras.

At the heart of the matter is a series of polymer AR-style 80 percent lowers that Ares had purchased from EP Armory and was reselling. The ATF has argued, based on a determination letter, that the lower is a regulated firearm and not a gun part.

According to Karras, the ATF has incorrectly classified the EP Armory product as a firearm based on faulty information and contends that it is no different from others he has sold in the past. Bakersfield-based EP Armory itself, as well as the home of its owner Chris Cook, was the target of an ATF raid on March 7.

“It seems like ATF is taking the view that the lowers are legally a ‘firearm’ under the Gun Control Act because the can be ‘readily converted’ to a ‘firearm’ So in ATF’s mind they are transferring a ‘firearm” without a NICS check,’ a firearms industry explained to Guns.com Thursday on condition of anonymity.

“While people speak of it, there is no ’80% rule’ The problem is ATF cannot give any meaningful guidance as to when a piece of metal is just a piece of metal and when it is a ‘receiver’ (a ‘firearm’). In part this is because the case law interpreting ‘readily convertible’ is all over the map, up to and including access to a machine shop for a week,” the expert elaborated.

Karras has obtained a Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) from a federal district judge in this matter and is vowing not to turn over any names to the ATF.

“The BATFE has expressed interest in obtaining Ares Armor’s customer list in the past and is now attempting to strong-arm us with undue threats based on information they know to be incorrect. Our customer’s privacy is of the utmost importance to us. I cannot in good moral conscience turn over a list of names to the BATFE just because they unduly threaten us with an unjust raid based on information they know to be false,” Karras wrote on his company’s website.

Ares, a veteran-owned small business in National City, California, is no stranger to controversy, having recently fended off assaults by the city over its rooftop sign. The sign, with an image of an AR-15, has the words “Unserialized. No Registration. Legal.” across the bottom.

As of Thursday the company is still listing several 80 percent lowers for sale on their site, with the exception of the polymer EP lowers.

The ATF advised Guns.com they do not comment on ongoing investigations.

Both Ares and the ATF are set to face off in court on March 20 for a preliminary injunction hearing. Until then, Karras states that, “I am now in constant fear for the safety of my employees, my customers and myself.”

I guess I won't be able to make one now. Sucks that I ran the drill right through the side of mine. Oh well.

Fuck that. I have ar's. they wanna come get em, let them try.

And you will do what exactly?? They want them, they will get them.

[Bufflehead]

Fuck that. I have ar's. they wanna come get em, let them try.

And you will do what exactly?? They want them, they will get them.

Yep, one guy with a few guns might hold them off for a couple hours but they will get the guns in the end.

[The Duck Hammer]

Fuck that. I have ar's. they wanna come get em, let them try.

And you will do what exactly?? They want them, they will get them.

Yep, one guy with a few guns might hold them off for a couple hours but they will get the guns in the end.

But your message was sent, and hopefully others would stand against them as well.

[Tiler_J]

Fuck that. I have ar's. they wanna come get em, let them try.

And you will do what exactly?? They want them, they will get them.

Yep, one guy with a few guns might hold them off for a couple hours but they will get the guns in the end.

But your message was sent, and hopefully others would stand against them as well.

And you are probably dead. Is an AR worth your life?
I get it, if they came for my guns I would do all that I could to keep them, but it's not worth my life.

[Bufflehead]

Fuck that. I have ar's. they wanna come get em, let them try.

And you will do what exactly?? They want them, they will get them.

Yep, one guy with a few guns might hold them off for a couple hours but they will get the guns in the end.

But your message was sent, and hopefully others would stand against them as well.

And they will still have your sweet ass AR to kill your neighbor when he stands against them.

[The Duck Hammer]

Fuck that. I have ar's. they wanna come get em, let them try.

And you will do what exactly?? They want them, they will get them.

Yep, one guy with a few guns might hold them off for a couple hours but they will get the guns in the end.

But your message was sent, and hopefully others would stand against them as well.

And you are probably dead. Is an AR worth your life?
I get it, if they came for my guns I would do all that I could to keep them, but it's not worth my life.

The message is. The founding fathers fought this fight once and if it comes to it again I don't want to have to potentially face those men and say I wouldn't try to save their gift to us. But, big exception here, I don't have kids so my decision doesn't have the same impact that yours would.

[Bootlipkiller]

We got a bunch of bad asses around here.

[The Duck Hammer]

Fuck that. I have ar's. they wanna come get em, let them try.

And you will do what exactly?? They want them, they will get them.

Yep, one guy with a few guns might hold them off for a couple hours but they will get the guns in the end.

But your message was sent, and hopefully others would stand against them as well.

And they will still have your sweet ass AR to kill your neighbor when he stands against them.

Whatever sweet ass AR I can get my hands on pales in comparison to what they have. The gun means nothing to them, just the power. The only way to fight the power grab is to kill a few of them and see how bad they still want it.

[Tiler_J]

We got a bunch of bad asses around here.

I'm surrounded by Rambo's!

[Bootlipkiller]

We got a bunch of bad asses around here.

I'm surrounded by Rambo's!

I had no idea killing people was such a cavalier decision.

[Tiler_J]

We got a bunch of bad asses around here.

I'm surrounded by Rambo's!

I had no idea killing people was such a cavalier decision.

I guess if you don't have kids, it's no big deal.

[The Duck Hammer]

Not what I meant

[Bootlipkiller]

We got a bunch of bad asses around here.

I'm surrounded by Rambo's!

I had no idea killing people was such a cavalier decision.

I guess if you don't have kids, it's no big deal.

[Tiler_J]

Not what I meant

I know DH.

[The Duck Hammer]

Not what I meant

I know DH.

[3legged_lab]

Not what I meant

Haha. They're gonna make fun of you anyways.

[Bootlipkiller]

Not what I meant

Haha. They're gonna make fun of you anyways.

Hahahaha!

[Tiler_J]

Not what I meant

Haha. They're gonna make fun of you anyways.

It's like he's never been here before! You think he would have known that already.

[The Duck Hammer]

Not what I meant

Haha. They're gonna make fun of you anyways.

Yea its only the 9th or 10th time.

[assateague]

Fuck that. I have ar's. they wanna come get em, let them try.

And you will do what exactly?? They want them, they will get them.

Yep, one guy with a few guns might hold them off for a couple hours but they will get the guns in the end.

Tell that to King George.

[AKPirate]

Fuck that. I have ar's. they wanna come get em, let them try.

And you will do what exactly?? They want them, they will get them.

Yep, one guy with a few guns might hold them off for a couple hours but they will get the guns in the end.

Tell that to King George.

Fuck King George

[DeadEye_Dan]

If one percent of the people with guns had the resolve not to turn them over - at any cost - they'd never be able to take them.

[huntall6]

If one percent of the people with guns had the resolve not to turn them over - at any cost - they'd never be able to take them.

This. Someone has to fire the first shot. Some how, some way, I will die a free man.

(Although, anymore "free" is a relative term )