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Re: Nitpicking...

Postby aunt betty » Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:31 am

FlintRiverFowler wrote:
rebelp74 wrote:
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rebelp74 wrote:Micromanaging is the only way to manage. It insists things are done properly.

My boss is a micromanager. Tries to make me micromanage the crew. I just can't do it. I try to trust them to do stuff the right way. But I do nitpick when it comes to chemical applications. Usually just do it myself to insure its done right.

I was being far less than serious. The main thing I insist on is cleanliness and putting stuff back in the spot it belongs.
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Cleanliness is hard to come by around here. I have a shop cleaning day once a month. Wash all the equipment and detail clean the shop.
Putting tools away is something I stay on their asses about.
My main concern is punctuality.
Get to work on fucking time,
I'm bout to have a talk with a guy in a few minutes that's been 20 mins late every day this week.

Start keeping him thirty minutes late. When he points out 20 does not = 30 tell him the extra ten minutes was for stressing you out. Make SURE you make him wait on you to bring his check and show up two hours late.
I've heard that it's incredibly stupid to fuck around with a crazy man's head.
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Re: Nitpicking...

Postby FlintRiverFowler » Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:33 am

aunt betty wrote:
FlintRiverFowler wrote:
rebelp74 wrote:
FlintRiverFowler wrote:
rebelp74 wrote:Micromanaging is the only way to manage. It insists things are done properly.

My boss is a micromanager. Tries to make me micromanage the crew. I just can't do it. I try to trust them to do stuff the right way. But I do nitpick when it comes to chemical applications. Usually just do it myself to insure its done right.

I was being far less than serious. The main thing I insist on is cleanliness and putting stuff back in the spot it belongs.
.
Cleanliness is hard to come by around here. I have a shop cleaning day once a month. Wash all the equipment and detail clean the shop.
Putting tools away is something I stay on their asses about.
My main concern is punctuality.
Get to work on fucking time,
I'm bout to have a talk with a guy in a few minutes that's been 20 mins late every day this week.

Start keeping him thirty minutes late. When he points out 20 does not = 30 tell him the extra ten minutes was for stressing you out. Make SURE you make him wait on you to bring his check and show up two hours late.

He will find out about being late when he gets his next paycheck...
So far I've taken an hour away from him. 20+20+20.
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Re: Nitpicking...

Postby NuffDaddy » Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:34 am

There was one guy that worked for us a while back. He was always 3 min late...Every day. Was annoying as hell
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Re: Nitpicking...

Postby aunt betty » Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:35 am

I refused to tolerate lateness. I would send ppl home and say try again tomorrow. The looks I got...precious.
I've heard that it's incredibly stupid to fuck around with a crazy man's head.
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Re: Nitpicking...

Postby Tomkat » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:02 am

I never met a successful waterfowler that was habitually late. The Krew is normally ten minutes early for hunts.
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Re: Nitpicking...

Postby Eric Haynes » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:06 am

Tomkat wrote:I never met a successful waterfowler that was habitually late. The Krew is normally ten minutes early for hunts.

If you ever meet me this statement will become false.
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Re: Nitpicking...

Postby Tomkat » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:17 am

You've been invited out. I will wake ya up and we will be ON TIME lol
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Re: Nitpicking...

Postby triplecurl » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:18 am

rebelp74 wrote:The main thing I insist on is cleanliness and putting stuff back in the spot it belongs.


^^^This. It's a very simple thing to do and makes the job go smoother.
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Re: Nitpicking...

Postby jarbo03 » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:22 am

Tomkat wrote:
jarbo03 wrote:My boss is a dick


Does he have a big gun collection and a bearded dog?


Yep. That's why he's the boss.
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Re: Nitpicking...

Postby aunt betty » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:31 am

Eric Haynes wrote:
Tomkat wrote:I never met a successful waterfowler that was habitually late. The Krew is normally ten minutes early for hunts.

If you ever meet me this statement will become false.
DUDE...at public WMA's in Arkansas the boat race starts at four AM. If you ain't there nobody is going to cry or wait. If you are lucky I'll send a boat back for you. Usually we have five or six when we got a group.
I've heard that it's incredibly stupid to fuck around with a crazy man's head.
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Re: Nitpicking...

Postby Eric Haynes » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:33 am

aunt betty wrote:
Eric Haynes wrote:
Tomkat wrote:I never met a successful waterfowler that was habitually late. The Krew is normally ten minutes early for hunts.

If you ever meet me this statement will become false.
DUDE...at public WMA's in Arkansas the boat race starts at four AM. If you ain't there nobody is going to cry or wait. If you are lucky I'll send a boat back for you. Usually we have five or six when we got a group.


I don't hunt in Arkansas. I show up to my holes about 15 minytes before legal shooting.
Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded man shall say to his assailant, "If I live, I will kill you. If I die, you are forgiven." Such is the rule of honor.
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Re: Nitpicking...

Postby vincentpa » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:47 am

Eric Haynes wrote:
aunt betty wrote:
Eric Haynes wrote:
Tomkat wrote:I never met a successful waterfowler that was habitually late. The Krew is normally ten minutes early for hunts.

If you ever meet me this statement will become false.
DUDE...at public WMA's in Arkansas the boat race starts at four AM. If you ain't there nobody is going to cry or wait. If you are lucky I'll send a boat back for you. Usually we have five or six when we got a group.


I don't hunt in Arkansas. I show up to my holes about 15 minytes before legal shooting.




I always knew you were a skybusting pass shooter.
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Re: Nitpicking...

Postby QH's Paw » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:50 am

FlintRiverFowler wrote:
aunt betty wrote:
FlintRiverFowler wrote:
rebelp74 wrote:
FlintRiverFowler wrote:My boss is a micromanager. Tries to make me micromanage the crew. I just can't do it. I try to trust them to do stuff the right way. But I do nitpick when it comes to chemical applications. Usually just do it myself to insure its done right.

I was being far less than serious. The main thing I insist on is cleanliness and putting stuff back in the spot it belongs.
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Cleanliness is hard to come by around here. I have a shop cleaning day once a month. Wash all the equipment and detail clean the shop.
Putting tools away is something I stay on their asses about.
My main concern is punctuality.
Get to work on fucking time,
I'm bout to have a talk with a guy in a few minutes that's been 20 mins late every day this week.

Start keeping him thirty minutes late. When he points out 20 does not = 30 tell him the extra ten minutes was for stressing you out. Make SURE you make him wait on you to bring his check and show up two hours late.

He will find out about being late when he gets his next paycheck...
So far I've taken an hour away from him. 20+20+20.

Put him on part time 28 hours a week. Tell him since he doesn't want to work full time, you're putting him in the temporary part time position. Let him know he is the first on the "list", for the slow season when you do not need a full crew. If you're lucky, he'll quit. You have to set precedence, don't let him or it will spread like cancer. Even though you are docking his time, he is coming in when he wants, everyone sees that.
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Re: Nitpicking...

Postby Eric Haynes » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:00 am

vincentpa wrote:
Eric Haynes wrote:
aunt betty wrote:
Eric Haynes wrote:
Tomkat wrote:I never met a successful waterfowler that was habitually late. The Krew is normally ten minutes early for hunts.

If you ever meet me this statement will become false.
DUDE...at public WMA's in Arkansas the boat race starts at four AM. If you ain't there nobody is going to cry or wait. If you are lucky I'll send a boat back for you. Usually we have five or six when we got a group.


I don't hunt in Arkansas. I show up to my holes about 15 minytes before legal shooting.




I always knew you were a skybusting pass shooter.

I wish. I can't hit shit beyond 25.

I hardly hunt public anyways.
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Re: Nitpicking...

Postby rebelp74 » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:01 am

triplecurl wrote:
rebelp74 wrote:The main thing I insist on is cleanliness and putting stuff back in the spot it belongs.


^^^This. It's a very simple thing to do and makes the job go smoother.

Yup, you're never too busy to take a few seconds to put shit up and a few minutes to clean up your mess.
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Re: Nitpicking...

Postby triplecurl » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:08 am

rebelp74 wrote:
triplecurl wrote:
rebelp74 wrote:The main thing I insist on is cleanliness and putting stuff back in the spot it belongs.


^^^This. It's a very simple thing to do and makes the job go smoother.

Yup, you're never too busy to take a few seconds to put shit up and a few minutes to clean up your mess.


And it's not nitpicking to require it either. It's simply a good practice.
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Re: Nitpicking...

Postby FlintRiverFowler » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:19 am

aunt betty wrote:I refused to tolerate lateness. I would send ppl home and say try again tomorrow. The looks I got...precious.

I've done this before. Once everybody was out working I'd lock up the shop and the gate before I made my rounds. Usually find the straggler(s) sitting at the gate and send them home. In this line of work if you ain't here on time I've got to adjust the whole morning routine and I don't need you. See ya later.
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Re: Nitpicking...

Postby FlintRiverFowler » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:24 am

QH's Paw wrote:
FlintRiverFowler wrote:
aunt betty wrote:
FlintRiverFowler wrote:
rebelp74 wrote:[quote="FlintRiverFowler"]
My boss is a micromanager. Tries to make me micromanage the crew. I just can't do it. I try to trust them to do stuff the right way. But I do nitpick when it comes to chemical applications. Usually just do it myself to insure its done right.

I was being far less than serious. The main thing I insist on is cleanliness and putting stuff back in the spot it belongs.
.
Cleanliness is hard to come by around here. I have a shop cleaning day once a month. Wash all the equipment and detail clean the shop.
Putting tools away is something I stay on their asses about.
My main concern is punctuality.
Get to work on fucking time,
I'm bout to have a talk with a guy in a few minutes that's been 20 mins late every day this week.

Start keeping him thirty minutes late. When he points out 20 does not = 30 tell him the extra ten minutes was for stressing you out. Make SURE you make him wait on you to bring his check and show up two hours late.

He will find out about being late when he gets his next paycheck...
So far I've taken an hour away from him. 20+20+20.

Put him on part time 28 hours a week. Tell him since he doesn't want to work full time, you're putting him in the temporary part time position. Let him know he is the first on the "list", for the slow season when you do not need a full crew. If you're lucky, he'll quit. You have to set precedence, don't let him or it will spread like cancer. Even though you are docking his time, he is coming in when he wants, everyone sees that.[/quote]
This guy used to be our best guy. Makes $1.50 more per hour than the rest of them, and knows how to do every thing we need him for. Also was on the construction crew and knows every inch of the irrigation system. He thinks that since he's not easily replaceable that we won't shit can his ass. Hard times are comin his way if he doesn't shape up soon.
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Re: Nitpicking...

Postby QH's Paw » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:39 am

FlintRiverFowler wrote:This guy used to be our best guy. Makes $1.50 more per hour than the rest of them, and knows how to do every thing we need him for. Also was on the construction crew and knows every inch of the irrigation system. He thinks that since he's not easily replaceable that we won't shit can his ass. Hard times are comin his way if he doesn't shape up soon.

Yep, that's a pretty common problem. People get full of themselves and think they are irreplaceable. You try to help them and they take as you trying not to lose their irreplaceable self. It almost always ends up with them down the road. You gotta make a loud and fast statement. "Stop fucking up or you're gone. " It's his only chance. Second chance is "OK" but, third chance is a waste of time you could be using to train his replacement.
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Re: Nitpicking...

Postby aunt betty » Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:23 am

I'm always on time and if I'm going to be even one minute late I call ahead and warn ppl that I may be late.
Little things like that MATTER!

I've heard that it's incredibly stupid to fuck around with a crazy man's head.
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Re: Nitpicking...

Postby vincentpa » Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:38 am

I'm glad I don't work for any of you. You're all a bunch of fucking pricks.
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Re: Nitpicking...

Postby aunt betty » Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:41 am

vincentpa wrote:I'm glad I don't work for any of you. You're all a bunch of fucking pricks.

Time is money, especially when you got five guys already on the clock waiting on one.
Do that a time or two and you will turn into an asshole, prick, motherfucker. (like us)
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Re: Nitpicking...

Postby QH's Paw » Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:48 am

vincentpa wrote:I'm glad I don't work for any of you. You're all a bunch of fucking pricks.

When you pay people by the hour, they should be there, for the whole hour.
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Re: Nitpicking...

Postby assateague » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:49 pm

I'm with Vince. Firing someone who knows what they're doing because they're 5 minutes late is silly and counterproductive. Showing up early, if you're a dumbass, doesn't float the cake.


Also, I have noticed throughout my working history that those who worry about someone walking in 5 minutes late rarely notice when that same person is working 10 minutes late. I've always said that if you're going to be a stickler for me being here right on the dot, then don't bitch when everything I have going literally gets dropped right at 5:00 pm and I walk out the door.
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Re: Nitpicking...

Postby FlintRiverFowler » Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:09 pm

assateague wrote:I'm with Vince. Firing someone who knows what they're doing because they're 5 minutes late is silly and counterproductive. Showing up early, if you're a dumbass, doesn't float the cake.


Also, I have noticed throughout my working history that those who worry about someone walking in 5 minutes late rarely notice when that same person is working 10 minutes late. I've always said that if you're going to be a stickler for me being here right on the dot, then don't bitch when everything I have going literally gets dropped right at 5:00 pm and I walk out the door.

5 mins late here and there is not a problem, shit happens. Being consistently 20 mins late is a problem. You've done this job before assa. You get to work grab what you need for your job in setting up the course and get out the door so you can stay out in front of the ass crack of dawn golfers. Most mornings here are an 18 hole shotgun start. We do a lot of rounds of golf here. We also have a 6 man crew. That's one guy cutting cups, and 5 walk mowers. I plan out the next morning the day before,after talking to the Proshop to find out when and where and how many golfers will be starting the next morning. When somebody shows up late it throws a wrench in those plans. How can I expect my entire crew to show up on time if I let "mr wonderful" slide ?
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Re: Nitpicking...

Postby 3legged_lab » Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:16 pm

You mean "Senior Wonderfulo".
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Re: Nitpicking...

Postby QH's Paw » Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:19 pm

FlintRiverFowler wrote: How can I expect my entire crew to show up on time if I let "mr wonderful" slide ?

^^^^^^^This, exactly^^^^^^^
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Re: Nitpicking...

Postby vincentpa » Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:30 pm

assateague wrote:I'm with Vince. Firing someone who knows what they're doing because they're 5 minutes late is silly and counterproductive. Showing up early, if you're a dumbass, doesn't float the cake.


Also, I have noticed throughout my working history that those who worry about someone walking in 5 minutes late rarely notice when that same person is working 10 minutes late. I've always said that if you're going to be a stickler for me being here right on the dot, then don't bitch when everything I have going literally gets dropped right at 5:00 pm and I walk out the door.


Some jobs require a guy to be on-time. In other jobs, there are times when you have to be on-time. Most times arriving a few minutes late is fine if you stay late. I completely agree with AT. If you watch my time and bitch at me for being a few minutes late, I'm dropping everything at quitting time. You'll get much more from your employees if you don't micromanage them. Some people may abuse the flexibility. Take it up with the individual, don't punish the entire group. The act of micromanaging employees eliminates or minimizes the dynamic creativity by allowing people to utilize their ingenuity, which drives innovation and productivity. But hey, it must be right; it's done your way; the famous words of any mediocre micromanager.

Now, arriving late and leaving early is another story.
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Re: Nitpicking...

Postby Tomkat » Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:35 pm

My new job with the state has some nice folks. I come in 15 mins early to drink coffee and visit. We all start right on time.

Come 4:31, I am a Fred Flintstone gone motherfucker.
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Re: Nitpicking...

Postby assateague » Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:25 pm

FlintRiverFowler wrote:
assateague wrote:I'm with Vince. Firing someone who knows what they're doing because they're 5 minutes late is silly and counterproductive. Showing up early, if you're a dumbass, doesn't float the cake.


Also, I have noticed throughout my working history that those who worry about someone walking in 5 minutes late rarely notice when that same person is working 10 minutes late. I've always said that if you're going to be a stickler for me being here right on the dot, then don't bitch when everything I have going literally gets dropped right at 5:00 pm and I walk out the door.

5 mins late here and there is not a problem, shit happens. Being consistently 20 mins late is a problem. You've done this job before assa. You get to work grab what you need for your job in setting up the course and get out the door so you can stay out in front of the ass crack of dawn golfers. Most mornings here are an 18 hole shotgun start. We do a lot of rounds of golf here. We also have a 6 man crew. That's one guy cutting cups, and 5 walk mowers. I plan out the next morning the day before,after talking to the Proshop to find out when and where and how many golfers will be starting the next morning. When somebody shows up late it throws a wrench in those plans. How can I expect my entire crew to show up on time if I let "mr wonderful" slide ?




I should have qualified my statement, that it does depend on the job. And I agree 100% with you. Like you said, been there. When you've got 3 guys mowing greens, 3 guys mowing tees, and 1 guy mowing fairways, nobody can be late, because you're running as it is to stay ahead of the starts. We never had shotgun starts, at least not on a regular basis. The occasional tournament, sure, but all our starts were at 1 or 9, or on the executive course, so it wasn't as bad. But in that situation, you're right, you better be on time, or the clubhouse is gonna get a shitpot of complaints.

Although I will say that when a tournament was scheduled on a Friday (the course was just outside DC, so the tournaments were usually foreign embassies or diplomats, shit like that- very self-important people) and someone bitched about workers noise "interfering with their game", I always volunteered to cut the cups the next time that particular group was coming through for a tournament. Were they regulation? Maybe, by the skin of your teeth, but you've never seen some cup placements resemble a mini-golf course as much as on those days. Put that shit right in the middle of a slope, tuck it 12 feet and 1 inch back in a corner, uphill, behind a trap, shit like that. Really gave them something to bitch about, and I chuckled listening to them coming in bitching about 4-putting half the course.
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