assateague wrote:I use an ecollar. And I don't feel the least but bad about it.
rebelp74 wrote:Yeah I have a yacht, suck it bitches!
jehler wrote:lmao, you spout of with not feeding your dogs yada yada looking for a reaction, I give it to you and you get all worked up. You got me quivering brah...lol, nut hugging butt buddies, for fucks sake man, are you always this high strung or are you really a douche? You got me wonderingone2many wrote:jehler wrote:one2many wrote: i will not feed a dog that will not do what its supposed to do
Bullshit, first off who are you to say what a dog is supposed to do? And if for some reason you think you are the god of dog destiny, should I ever meet you, and you truly are a piece of shit, I'll rip off your head and shit down your throat. Real talk
i sure the fuck dont know what the fuck got your pussy sore. fact is i dont care. my dogs have jobs to do if the dont make the grade they dont earn room and board.
real talk. you will take a trip to the er or the morgue if you step to me.....
oh and fuck you
now you can come back in here and spout off how bad you are, maybe some of your nut hugging butt buddies buy the tough talk but it will never hold water in my world.
please proceed in your internet bad ass but i will never respond to your spunk spewing mouth again....
rebelp74 wrote:Yeah I have a yacht, suck it bitches!
banknote wrote:Thanks for the encouragement, everyone who's offered it. All the shit talk is par for the course, and I should have known the subject might chafe a little. I don't think there's any one right way, except for the application of patience and consistency. Squeezing the dog's toes together until it hurts isn't any different than shocking him with a collar, until we leave the table. May be this means we'll need more time on the table before we move on, but I have the time to spend and it will be worth it to me to be collar free.
assateague wrote:Same here. I used it this morning, as a matter of fact.
We were out in the woods, and Dutch came across a dead mole about the size of a juice can. He picked it up, and tossed his head back as if to eat it, anaconda style. No amount of "off" would work, so I hit the collar after "off", which he ignored. It was the first time he came across something dead like that.
Right or wrong, I quickly escalated to "uncomfortable", while calmly saying "off". He dropped it, and then stood there looking at it. I decided to make it a teaching moment, and just stood there waiting, about 10 feet away with my hand in my coat pocket on the controller. Every time he went down to it, as soon as he opened his mouth I said off, and hit it at the uncomfortable level. Took about 6 times, and then when i started walking again, we followed, got back in front of me, and started hunting again. When we turned around and were on the way back to the Jeep, he walked right by that mole on the trail without so much as a glance, so I'm calling it a win.
I don't have any plans one way or the other for FF right now, so interested in this thread to see how it works out for banknote.
capt1972 wrote:banknote wrote:capt1972 wrote:Rick wrote:Ouch. Mod talk or not, the good new is that Banknote has made sense and progress and probably needs no help at all from the likes of us.
Oh I'm pretty sure that BN needs help just not with his dog.
I do have this boil on my ass that needs a squeeze.
We're making decent progress. Little to no pressure, except when he needs an occasional reminder. We've transitioned from hand to table, but his pick-ups and holds are sometimes sloppy so we're getting those right before we go to the ground. Beyond progress on the table, his general obedience and attentiveness have been outstanding. He's really tuning in.
Are its initials AB by any chance?
aunt betty wrote:capt1972 wrote:banknote wrote:capt1972 wrote:Rick wrote:Ouch. Mod talk or not, the good new is that Banknote has made sense and progress and probably needs no help at all from the likes of us.
Oh I'm pretty sure that BN needs help just not with his dog.
I do have this boil on my ass that needs a squeeze.
We're making decent progress. Little to no pressure, except when he needs an occasional reminder. We've transitioned from hand to table, but his pick-ups and holds are sometimes sloppy so we're getting those right before we go to the ground. Beyond progress on the table, his general obedience and attentiveness have been outstanding. He's really tuning in.
Are its initials AB by any chance?
How did I get in this "I won't feed my dog if it won't hunt" thread. Jeezus
AKPirate wrote:aunt betty wrote:capt1972 wrote:banknote wrote:capt1972 wrote:[quote="Rick"]Ouch. Mod talk or not, the good new is that Banknote has made sense and progress and probably needs no help at all from the likes of us.
Oh I'm pretty sure that BN needs help just not with his dog.
I do have this boil on my ass that needs a squeeze.
We're making decent progress. Little to no pressure, except when he needs an occasional reminder. We've transitioned from hand to table, but his pick-ups and holds are sometimes sloppy so we're getting those right before we go to the ground. Beyond progress on the table, his general obedience and attentiveness have been outstanding. He's really tuning in.
Are its initials AB by any chance?
How did I get in this "I won't feed my dog if it won't hunt" thread. Jeezus
aunt betty wrote:capt1972 wrote:banknote wrote:capt1972 wrote:Rick wrote:Ouch. Mod talk or not, the good new is that Banknote has made sense and progress and probably needs no help at all from the likes of us.
Oh I'm pretty sure that BN needs help just not with his dog.
I do have this boil on my ass that needs a squeeze.
We're making decent progress. Little to no pressure, except when he needs an occasional reminder. We've transitioned from hand to table, but his pick-ups and holds are sometimes sloppy so we're getting those right before we go to the ground. Beyond progress on the table, his general obedience and attentiveness have been outstanding. He's really tuning in.
Are its initials AB by any chance?
How did I get in this "I won't feed my dog sour food if it won't hunt" thread. Jeezus
AKPirate wrote:The sins of Boot and Gaddy are causing the Cali drought and knowing they have no limits to their depravity... :mrgreen:
AKPirate wrote:The sins of Boot and Gaddy are causing the Cali drought and knowing they have no limits to their depravity... :mrgreen:
assateague wrote:Same here. I used it this morning, as a matter of fact.
We were out in the woods, and Dutch came across a dead mole about the size of a juice can. He picked it up, and tossed his head back as if to eat it, anaconda style. No amount of "off" would work, so I hit the collar after "off", which he ignored. It was the first time he came across something dead like that.
Right or wrong, I quickly escalated to "uncomfortable", while calmly saying "off". He dropped it, and then stood there looking at it. I decided to make it a teaching moment, and just stood there waiting, about 10 feet away with my hand in my coat pocket on the controller. Every time he went down to it, as soon as he opened his mouth I said off, and hit it at the uncomfortable level. Took about 6 times, and then when i started walking again, we followed, got back in front of me, and started hunting again. When we turned around and were on the way back to the Jeep, he walked right by that mole on the trail without so much as a glance, so I'm calling it a win.
I don't have any plans one way or the other for FF right now, so interested in this thread to see how it works out for banknote.
aunt betty wrote:You should build something like this AT.
Its a training aid. It teaches the dog you expect him to sit in a certain spot and wait for orders. Why?
One day you may hunt timber and use a dog stand. You may end up in a pit where the dog has an elevated box to sit on or maybe a big blind with eight guns.
Be ready or suffer. On my first dog I was clueless.
Paid to hunt in a pit and that dog made everyone miserable. Prepare for everything...
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Eric Haynes wrote:aunt betty wrote:You should build something like this AT.
Its a training aid. It teaches the dog you expect him to sit in a certain spot and wait for orders. Why?
One day you may hunt timber and use a dog stand. You may end up in a pit where the dog has an elevated box to sit on or maybe a big blind with eight guns.
Be ready or suffer. On my first dog I was clueless.
Paid to hunt in a pit and that dog made everyone miserable. Prepare for everything...
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I know AT will like this.
You can use a piece of cardboard, or...anything to do this. No need to build anything, even if he didn't bother to square the OSB up.
banknote wrote:Here's a super long, slow, boring video of some of today's work. Neither of us is anywhere near perfect, but we're getting better.
Rick wrote:Realize that long session of short retrieves was for the camera, but am curious what you're doing to stretch Ki out and keep him from becoming programed for tossed bumper distance?
QH's Paw wrote:banknote wrote:Here's a super long, slow, boring video of some of today's work. Neither of us is anywhere near perfect, but we're getting better.
Imagine that, without a collar and, they said it couldn't be done.
Good stuff Ed. Looks like Ky is coming along great. I think he's ready to teach you a thing or two this season. I hope I'm there to watch. He is going to be a great dog. Actually, he is a great dog. He will show you for sure.
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