Are people turning

[GadwallGetter530]

Gotta pick between turkeys and quail. Can't have both.

I agree with the predator thing, the more you remove, the stronger they come back, that's just basic ecology.

To steal one from Rick, "bigger plows and more cows" is the drain in most cases, especially for upland birds.

Turkey and quail go hand in hand in this state.

[GadwallGetter530]

I believe a lot of it has to do with food, namely protein in the form of bugs. We do a lot to control bug populations, especially in the spring when young birds need them.

Also, when it comes to pheasants, they're not native birds living in natural habitat. They're imported and thrive where agriculture has created a new kind of habitat. As farming practices have evolved, so has that habitat. It stands to reason that cleaner, more efficient farming leaves less for the birds, in terms of both cover and feed.

Interesting perspective I hadn't thought of before.

Are you fucking kidding me? Fuck it I give.

[ducks~n~bucks]

:lol: Hey gaddy, I guess no one listens to you.

I've grown accustom to disappointment .............. I've been preaching that bug fact for years.

I honestly couldn't figure out why the hell the pheasants dissipated, but when you said that it clicked.

[ducks~n~bucks]

I believe a lot of it has to do with food, namely protein in the form of bugs. We do a lot to control bug populations, especially in the spring when young birds need them.

Also, when it comes to pheasants, they're not native birds living in natural habitat. They're imported and thrive where agriculture has created a new kind of habitat. As farming practices have evolved, so has that habitat. It stands to reason that cleaner, more efficient farming leaves less for the birds, in terms of both cover and feed.

Interesting perspective I hadn't thought of before.

Are you fucking kidding me? Fuck it I give.

Exactly what I was reffering to.

[huntfishnv]

I believe a lot of it has to do with food, namely protein in the form of bugs. We do a lot to control bug populations, especially in the spring when young birds need them.

Also, when it comes to pheasants, they're not native birds living in natural habitat. They're imported and thrive where agriculture has created a new kind of habitat. As farming practices have evolved, so has that habitat. It stands to reason that cleaner, more efficient farming leaves less for the birds, in terms of both cover and feed.

Interesting perspective I hadn't thought of before.

Are you **** kidding me? **** it I give.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Theres gaddy over here


My bad man hahaha

[GadwallGetter530]

:lol: Hey gaddy, I guess no one listens to you.

I've grown accustom to disappointment .............. I've been preaching that bug fact for years.

I honestly couldn't figure out why the hell the pheasants dissipated, but when you said that it clicked.

Yup, You have to wrap your head around the fact that the areas of the valley that has been farmed the the past 50 years hasn't change. What was rice years ago is rice today. The big natural gun clubs and refuges have been established for years. Not much has change other then more land has been turned from crops back to marsh and fields. We should really have even more birds then we did in the past. Can't be blaming habitat loss.

[bill herian]

California has retained 5-10% of its pre-settlement wetlands, which is why I think the duck hunting is so good there.

[GadwallGetter530]

California has retained 5-10% of its pre-settlement wetlands, which is why I think the duck hunting is so good there.

Good for you. You know how to use Google search.

[bill herian]

California has retained 5-10% of its pre-settlement wetlands, which is why I think the duck hunting is so good there.

Good for you. You know how to use Google search.

Actually I paid 40,000 dollars to go to school and learn that.

So ha.

Not saying my professor didn't get that figure from google, though.

[AKPirate]

California has retained 5-10% of its pre-settlement wetlands, which is why I think the duck hunting is so good there.

Good for you. You know how to use Google search.

Actually I paid 40,000 dollars to go to school and learn that.

So ha.

Not saying my professor didn't get that figure from google, though.

But, but, google is free

[GadwallGetter530]

California has retained 5-10% of its pre-settlement wetlands, which is why I think the duck hunting is so good there.

Good for you. You know how to use Google search.

Actually I paid 40,000 dollars to go to school and learn that.

So ha.

Not saying my professor didn't get that figure from google, though.

Their's a lot to factor in. Waterfowl hunting in this state is fantastic.

[bill herian]

Their's a lot to factor in. Waterfowl hunting in this state is fantastic.

To the right you have a desert, and to the left you have the Pacific fucking ocean.

Factoring done.

[Tiler_J]

California has retained 5-10% of its pre-settlement wetlands, which is why I think the duck hunting is so good there.

Good for you. You know how to use Google search.

Actually I paid 40,000 dollars to go to school and learn that.

So ha.

Not saying my professor didn't get that figure from google, though.

Their's a lot to factor in. Waterfowl hunting in this state is HORRIBLE.

FIFY Gaddy.

Lets try to keep things a secret about our hunting here.

[GadwallGetter530]

California has retained 5-10% of its pre-settlement wetlands, which is why I think the duck hunting is so good there.

Good for you. You know how to use Google search.

Actually I paid 40,000 dollars to go to school and learn that.

So ha.

Not saying my professor didn't get that figure from google, though.

Their's a lot to factor in. Waterfowl hunting in this state is HORRIBLE.

FIFY Gaddy.

Lets try to keep things a secret about our hunting here.

Word.

[Pintail]

Their's a lot to factor in. Waterfowl hunting in this state is fantastic.

To the right you have a desert, and to the left you have the Pacific **** ocean.

Factoring done.

[GadwallGetter530]

Lota ducks in that desert.

[RonE]

Years ago I heard a knowledgeable biologist speak of the feral cat issue. He explained there were approximately 50 million feral cats in the US....but there could be more! If each cat only kills 20 young animals (baby rabbits, pheasants, quail, ducks etc) per year that would amount to somewhere around ONE BILLION wildlife animals killed by cats alone annually.
I've been killing every one that crosses my path ever since I heard that speech.

"knowledgeable biologist" With no axe to grind? With no bias? Around here it is the Audubon Society that makes those unfounded claims. How many standard deviations are there in "approximately"? Is there a scientific study to back up such claims? Gotta call BS.

[RonE]

:lol: Hey gaddy, I guess no one listens to you.

I've grown accustom to disappointment .............. I've been preaching that bug fact for years.

I honestly couldn't figure out why the hell the pheasants dissipated, but when you said that it clicked.

Yup, You have to wrap your head around the fact that the areas of the valley that has been farmed the the past 50 years hasn't change. What was rice years ago is rice today. The big natural gun clubs and refuges have been established for years. Not much has change other then more land has been turned from crops back to marsh and fields. We should really have even more birds then we did in the past. Can't be blaming habitat loss.

Global warming is the cause. Lack of late spring rains causes the ground to dry out and crack. The bugs that feed young pheasant fall into those cracks and the birds can't get them. Some young birds starve to death while others die with their heads caught in a crack.

[Bootlipkiller]

:lol: Hey gaddy, I guess no one listens to you.

I've grown accustom to disappointment .............. I've been preaching that bug fact for years.

I honestly couldn't figure out why the hell the pheasants dissipated, but when you said that it clicked.

Yup, You have to wrap your head around the fact that the areas of the valley that has been farmed the the past 50 years hasn't change. What was rice years ago is rice today. The big natural gun clubs and refuges have been established for years. Not much has change other then more land has been turned from crops back to marsh and fields. We should really have even more birds then we did in the past. Can't be blaming habitat loss.

Global warming is the cause. Lack of late spring rains causes the ground to dry out and crack. The bugs that feed young pheasant fall into those cracks and the birds can't get them. Some young birds starve to death while others die with their heads caught in a crack.

[AKPirate]

Crack is terrible

[GadwallGetter530]

:lol: Hey gaddy, I guess no one listens to you.

I've grown accustom to disappointment .............. I've been preaching that bug fact for years.

I honestly couldn't figure out why the hell the pheasants dissipated, but when you said that it clicked.

Yup, You have to wrap your head around the fact that the areas of the valley that has been farmed the the past 50 years hasn't change. What was rice years ago is rice today. The big natural gun clubs and refuges have been established for years. Not much has change other then more land has been turned from crops back to marsh and fields. We should really have even more birds then we did in the past. Can't be blaming habitat loss.

Global warming is the cause. Lack of late spring rains causes the ground to dry out and crack. The bugs that feed young pheasant fall into those cracks and the birds can't get them. Some young birds starve to death while others die with their heads caught in a crack.

I couldn't agree more.

[aunt betty]

I believe a lot of it has to do with food, namely protein in the form of bugs. We do a lot to control bug populations, especially in the spring when young birds need them.

Also, when it comes to pheasants, they're not native birds living in natural habitat. They're imported and thrive where agriculture has created a new kind of habitat. As farming practices have evolved, so has that habitat. It stands to reason that cleaner, more efficient farming leaves less for the birds, in terms of both cover and feed.

Interesting perspective I hadn't thought of before.

He's right. Ag methods impact wildlife more than you all know. Have seen the change in my life in Illinois.
Southern Illinois was THE destination for Canada geese in the 1980's but no-till ag stopped geese from going that far south. Central Illinois is the new south for geese.
Agriculture practices are killing your California pheasants. No doubt in my mind.

[GadwallGetter530]

I believe a lot of it has to do with food, namely protein in the form of bugs. We do a lot to control bug populations, especially in the spring when young birds need them.

Also, when it comes to pheasants, they're not native birds living in natural habitat. They're imported and thrive where agriculture has created a new kind of habitat. As farming practices have evolved, so has that habitat. It stands to reason that cleaner, more efficient farming leaves less for the birds, in terms of both cover and feed.

Interesting perspective I hadn't thought of before.

He's right. Ag methods impact wildlife more than you all know. Have seen the change in my life in Illinois.
Southern Illinois was THE destination for Canada geese in the 1980's but no-till ag stopped geese from going that far south. Central Illinois is the new south for geese.
Agriculture practices are killing your California pheasants. No doubt in my mind.

Nope, I can't agree with that. Their's no agriculture practices taking place on Refuges and private natural habitat gun clubs that where at one time pheasant producing machines.

[aunt betty]

I believe a lot of it has to do with food, namely protein in the form of bugs. We do a lot to control bug populations, especially in the spring when young birds need them.

Also, when it comes to pheasants, they're not native birds living in natural habitat. They're imported and thrive where agriculture has created a new kind of habitat. As farming practices have evolved, so has that habitat. It stands to reason that cleaner, more efficient farming leaves less for the birds, in terms of both cover and feed.

Interesting perspective I hadn't thought of before.

He's right. Ag methods impact wildlife more than you all know. Have seen the change in my life in Illinois.
Southern Illinois was THE destination for Canada geese in the 1980's but no-till ag stopped geese from going that far south. Central Illinois is the new south for geese.
Agriculture practices are killing your California pheasants. No doubt in my mind.

Nope, I can't agree with that. Their's no agriculture practices taking place on Refuges and private natural habitat gun clubs that where at one time pheasant producing machines.

I never hunted in fagnifornia.

Ag practice has killed mine.
Cleared every square inch, chopped all hedges down, waterways cleared of all brush...yet food laying everywhere from no till.
There is no habitat. None. All gone...corn corn corn beans corn corn corn.

Mkay?

[aunt betty]

When I was 15 in 1976 you could not walk a mile down a ditch, hedge, or railroad tracks without jumping a dozen roosters.
My brother used to carry my dad's and my birds in gunny sacks. That's over, been gone a long long time.

[Woody]

All of you talk like pheasants are indigenous to our country.

[aunt betty]

All of you talk like pheasants are indigenous to our country.

I know...
Non-native species yet there is a season.

[jarbo03]

I believe a lot of it has to do with food, namely protein in the form of bugs. We do a lot to control bug populations, especially in the spring when young birds need them.

Also, when it comes to pheasants, they're not native birds living in natural habitat. They're imported and thrive where agriculture has created a new kind of habitat. As farming practices have evolved, so has that habitat. It stands to reason that cleaner, more efficient farming leaves less for the birds, in terms of both cover and feed.

Interesting perspective I hadn't thought of before.

He's right. Ag methods impact wildlife more than you all know. Have seen the change in my life in Illinois.
Southern Illinois was THE destination for Canada geese in the 1980's but no-till ag stopped geese from going that far south. Central Illinois is the new south for geese.
Agriculture practices are killing your California pheasants. No doubt in my mind.

Nope, I can't agree with that. Their's no agriculture practices taking place on Refuges and private natural habitat gun clubs that where at one time pheasant producing machines.

What AB said is true for here, ag practices control everything. Weather is also a big factor as many birds nest in wheat, the quality of it and when it gets cut has a huge impact. With your area having good habitat, I would agree with what you've said before, quit spraying for skeeters and bugs, baby birds need food. No till farming is not good for birds either, nothing good about spraying fields with Roundup instead of tilling.

[jarbo03]

The reason you see more turkeys where there used to quail is turkeys can live in shitty habitat. All they need is a tree to sleep in, they will eat fucking anything.

[GadwallGetter530]

The reason you see more turkeys where there used to quail is turkeys can live in shitty habitat. All they need is a tree to sleep in, they will eat fucking anything.

True story right there.