how much does it cost?

[don novicki]

I was over looking at new trucks this morning ( just looking) and saw a truck very similar to my 2013 Silverado z71, equipped essentially the same and was shocked at the sticker. In 2013 my sticker price was 38K now for the same truck your are looking at a sticker of 44K. I got to wondering just how much does it cost to build your average 1/2 ton truck, out the door at the factory? Anyone have any idea? I'll bet it's easier to get your hands on the numbers for the nukes, than it would be to find out how much it really costs to build a vehicle........

[Goldfish]

I don't know, but I do know with all the stupid things the highway safety bureau mandates like all the airbags, ABS, black boxes, and now backup cameras (yes, they are requiring those), you can't really get a cheap new car like you used to

[don novicki]

The car itself may be idiot proof but that doesn't take into account a driver................................

[aunt betty]

Inflation is real.
The trucks are the same truck and are probably getting cheaper and cheaper to build. I mean Mexican labor come on.

[SpinnerMan]

Corporate Average Fuel Economy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_Average_Fuel_Economy

If the consumers what cars and trucks that on average have too low an average mpg rating, the corporation must "fix" this by forcing their consumers to buy things that they do not want or pay a penalty to the government.

The CAFE achieved by a given fleet of vehicles in a given model year is the production-weighted harmonic mean fuel economy, expressed in miles per USgallon (mpg), of a manufacturer's fleet of current model year passenger cars or light trucks with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 8,500 pounds (3,856 kg) or less (but also including medium-duty passenger vehicles, such as large sport-utility vehicles and passenger vans, with GVWR up to 10,000 pounds), produced for sale in the United States. The CAFE standards in a given model year define the CAFE levels that manufacturers' fleets are required to meet in that model year, specific levels depending on the characteristics and mix of vehicles produced by each manufacturer. If the average fuel economy of a manufacturer's annual fleet of vehicle production falls below the applicable requirement, the manufacturer must either apply sufficient CAFE credits (see below) to cover the shortfall or pay a penalty, currently $5.50 per 0.1 mpg under the standard, multiplied by the manufacturer's total production for the U.S. domestic market. Congress established both of these provisions explicitly in EPCA, as amended in 2007 by EISA. In addition, a Gas Guzzler Tax is levied on individual passenger car models (but not trucks, vans, minivans, or SUVs) that get less than 22.5 miles per US gallon (10.5 l/100 km).

On July 29, 2011, President Obama announced an agreement with thirteen large automakers to increase fuel economy to 54.5 miles per gallon for cars and light-duty trucks by model year 2025.

The cost is going to go even higher for anyone that wants a car or truck that is not the smallest of all vehicles.

Steel is cheap, but heavy. Heavy means lower gas mileage. It also generally means safer.

To get the average up, they must use more expensive material, more complex designs (more expensive engineering, testing, manufacturing, etc.), and simply charge you a premium sufficient to convince enough people to buy the little vehicles in the category.

Vehicles are a highly manipulated market. If not for the CAFE standards, vehicles would cost a lot less. However, providing the consumers the best value doesn't matter if you cannot satisfy the law. It skews everything making it far less efficient and therefore far more costly too the consumer.

Just think if they figured out how to make big vehicles a lot cheaper. Demand would go up. Average mpg's would go up. They'd be breaking the law and get fined, so they have to raise the price to make sure they don't sell too many or reduce the cost of the small vehicles so they sell more. It makes the system irrational and inefficient.

[aunt betty]

Watch the movie Tucker once.

[The Duck Hammer]

FFS it's a load of bullshit. A truck is never going to get 50 mpg. You can't even afford one now. Dads been trying to get a new one for 2 years but the damn things are 50K. It's bullshit. They wonder why the middle class is going to shit. People who own their own businesses, raise livestock, or anything else that need a truck can't afford the shit and are scraping by with what they got. It's a load of crap and the Obama can suck a dick. Shit China lied about their coal consumption to make it look like they give a damn about the environment and we are worried about mpg. The standards are counterintuitive as the more bullshit they make mandatory the heavier a vehicle gets meaning lower mpg. Not really related but I found out the other day that the highway safety committee or whatever the fuck it's called requires backup cameras now. Come on, if you need a fucking backup camera to be safe ride the fucking bus.


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[The Duck Hammer]

Lol I guess I read Goldie's post the other day. Thought this was spinners thread.


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[aunt betty]

Big Gubment is always picking on the little guy. Let's talk about fuel consumption in jets and semi-tractor-trailers.
No no no no no...big business is running things. Fed-ex would DIE if they had to go green.

[Goldfish]

Betty the trucks are not the same as they used to be

Spinner that's why there's thousands upon thousands of cars built by the big guys that never will see the road, because they need to produce them so their overall average mpg meets the requirements, which is a complete waste of resources and counter intuitive to the reasons those laws are even there