Identifying the Enemy

[Legband]

Saying you would vote for Hillary Clinton because you don't like Donald Trump is like saying you would vote for Adolf Hitler due to the fact that Winston Churchill is rude and speaks his mind and is not politically correct. She hates what the USA stands for.

[SpinnerMan]

I think the Hitler analogy is a not even close. As much as I despise her, it is not accurate. What is accurate is that she would do nothing different than generation of Democrats have done in Detroit and see how well that worked out for the "workers" of Detroit. She would do nothing different than what Obama and other generations of Democrats have done for Chicago and we see how well that has worked out for the minorities of Chicago.

She doesn't want to exterminate anyone, but she has no idea why her fatally flawed ideas have lead to so much needless death and destruction in places like Chicago and Detroit where Democrats have had absolute control for generations. And neither does Obama, which is why he has steer the entire nation down that self-destructive path that drives people to not work, not get educated, lawlessness, corruption, group identity and the animosity that comes with it, etc.

She is not Hitler. She is Hugo Chavez and look how well that has worked in Venezuela. That is what the people that have run Chicago, Detroit, and most major American cities for generations will bring the entire nation if they get their way. Not concentration camps, but poverty and violence.

Trump is an embarrassment that both Republicans and Democrats will keep the pressure on. Hillary is a wrecking ball that the Democrats and most of the useful idiot Republicans will empower.

It's not even a close call in my opinion. They are probably the two worst candidates in American history, but probably one of the easiest decisions. Trump for 4 and then the first (I believe) President ever defeated in the primary unless he shocks everybody.

I think after 8 years of the Obama wrecking ball, a Hillary win will be the straw that causes a lot of Americans to just give up and think only suckers don't try to use power to get what they want and principles don't matter. Ask not what you can do for your country, but only ask what it can do for you and fuck everybody else.

[Legband]

I disagree she exterminated our navy seals pretty well.
She's would do any thing to get elected.
Lie, Break the Law , you name it.

[Rick]

And Trump wouldn't?

With each election the movie "Idiocracy" becomes less farcical and more foreboding.

[SpinnerMan]

With each election the movie "Idiocracy" becomes less farcical and more foreboding.

Doesn't it?

[Legband]

And Trump wouldn't?

With each election the movie "Idiocracy" becomes less farcical and more foreboding.

No I don't believe he would have left them to die , his pride in country alone would have caused him to stomp their butts , I believe he genuinely loves the USA. It's not just a difference in political ideology Hillary like Obama hates everything we stand for she is as much a socialist as Sanders she just won't admit it. Trump on the other hand loves the country like him or not if your intellectually honest you have to admit he is Pro USA

[Olly]

I disagree she exterminated our navy seals pretty well.

I think she's a crook but that's pretty extreme and pretty wrong. Hitler exterminated people, the Khmer Rouge exterminated people. Clinton's ineptitude caused deaths. Hardly an extermination... Just saying.

And Trump would probably be just as inept as Clinton is.

And Trump wouldn't?

With each election the movie "Idiocracy" becomes less farcical and more foreboding.

Rick gets it.

[Legband]

So you don't think she would wipe out her opposition if she could ? You obviously have a higher opinion of her than I do.

[Olly]

So you don't think she would wipe out her opposition if she could ? You obviously have a higher opinion of her than I do.

I guess I do.

[Legband]

Lol I can live with that lol

[Rick]

What Trump loves is his own self image, and he's shooting from the hip, making stuff up as he goes along that plays to a knee jerk audience in an attempt to make his biggest deal.

I've not voted "for" a candidate since Reagan, always against whichever I perceived as the greater of evils. This time I may just stay home.

[Legband]

I understand the thought Rick when you want another option , Cruz was my guy but I simply can't put Trump a and Hillary in the same camp even if it's for his own prideful reasons Trump would handle our enemies better and negotiate better deals with our rivals.

[Rick]

I thought Kasich sounded the most likely to get some things done without starting WWIII, but mine was plainly a minority opinion.

[Olly]

I simply can't put Trump a and Hillary in the same camp

Don't worry, you don't have to. They already are.

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[Legband]

Ally's that shows is he can get along with his enemies when he needs to lol

[Rick]

He tried to buy those enemies, and it worked out about as well as trying to buy North Korea has.

[SpinnerMan]

He tried to buy those enemies, and it worked out about as well as trying to buy North Korea has.

He built a lot of things buying people like the Clinton's. They created an entire foundation to collect those bribes. I think it worked out pretty well for both of them.

We have hit a new low in our hopelessly corrupt society. The bribe maker running against the bribe taker.

[aunt betty]

You guys solved the world's problems yet? Turd or Douche 2016.

[Olly]

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[Rick]

He tried to buy those enemies, and it worked out about as well as trying to buy North Korea has.

He built a lot of things buying people like the Clinton's. They created an entire foundation to collect those bribes. I think it worked out pretty well for both of them.

We have hit a new low in our hopelessly corrupt society. The bribe maker running against the bribe taker.

If I'm wrong, it won't be a first, but I doubt she's done anything for him but take the check.

[SpinnerMan]

He tried to buy those enemies, and it worked out about as well as trying to buy North Korea has.

He built a lot of things buying people like the Clinton's. They created an entire foundation to collect those bribes. I think it worked out pretty well for both of them.

We have hit a new low in our hopelessly corrupt society. The bribe maker running against the bribe taker.

If I'm wrong, it won't be a first, but I doubt she's done anything for him but take the check.

So you think he is a fool that gave his money away for nothing? Not likely. He's a master of the corrupt system. That's why he has been able to build so many things in the most corrupt places. A big question for me is whether he embraces that cronyism or despises it, but rationalized doing what was necessary.

All those people that gave money to the Clinton's were getting something and it was not their wisdom and insight. I seriously doubt Trump wasted his money.

Having lived in Chicagoland for awhile now. This is how things are done. This is how things get built. You "give" to charities, politicians, etc. and then their people move the bureaucratic road blocks created so you would have to give them money. It is your basic organized crime shakedown model. It may have been nothing more than "protection" money like businesses have been paying to the mob for generations. You don't have to, but if you don't, you will get really unlucky. That IRS audit, that surprise inspection, that lost permit, ... just coincidence

[Olly]

Ally's that shows is he can get along with his enemies when he needs to lol

Except that in 2005 when that photo was taken at his wedding he was a registered Democrat. Or as you call them the "enemy"...

So when that picture was taken they were on the same side as you would see it.

Trump is a salesman and anyone that buys what he's selling has been conned.

[SpinnerMan]

Ally's that shows is he can get along with his enemies when he needs to lol

Except that in 2005 when that photo was taken at his wedding he was a registered Democrat. Or as you call them the "enemy"...

So when that picture was taken they were on the same side as you would see it.

Trump is a salesman and anyone that buys what he's selling has been conned.

To do business in NYC he had to be a Democrat.

He is a salesman, but that doesn't mean he has no principles.

My real problem is that you cannot say whether you have been conned or not. We don't know what he really believes. He said what he needed to say. Maybe he was conning the Democrats. Maybe he is conning the voters. We really don't know.

He does seem to have been pretty strong, particularly for a NYC businessman, on private gun ownership. Not perfect, but better than one would expect if he was pandering. It's one of the few things that suggest he may have been conning those he needed to back then, but who knows?

The only time I registered by party, I registered as a Democrat. I was going to get a summer job for the county. I "applied" for the job at a friend of the families kitchen table. He asked me if I was registered to vote. I was not. He told me that I had to register and that if I wanted the job, I had to register as a Democrat. He said I don't care how you vote, but you have to register Democrat. I ended up getting a better job, but this is the reality in much of the country. So who knows what Trump really believes? We do know Hillary's beliefs and character. Trump cannot be worse. She is that bad. It's embarrassing that America has sunk this low.

[Rick]

So you think he is a fool that gave his money away for nothing?

I think he was buying that photo and hoping for influence. And that the Clintons thanked him and kept right on doing what best served the Clintons.

[SpinnerMan]

So you think he is a fool that gave his money away for nothing?

I think he was buying that photo and hoping for influence. And that the Clintons thanked him and kept right on doing what best served the Clintons.

He gave them a lot.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/14/donald-trump-donated-at-least-100k-to-clinton-foundation/

What Trump neglected to mention was his own donations to the foundation. Trump is listed on the Clinton Foundation’s donor page as having given somewhere between $100,001 and $250,000. Likewise, his daughter Ivanka Trump is listed as having given somewhere between $5001 and $10,000.

BTW, why do you think he had a hope of getting influence?

[Deltaman]

One thing that has surprised me is that Trump has had so many people working for him over the years, yet not one of them has come out and talked bad about him............surely, if he is such an asshole, why not! He is not a bought and paid for politician!
I leaned more towards Kasich and Rubio in the beginning, but with them out of the race now, Trump will get my vote. I still can't believe that Hillary could even be a contender as corrupt as she is...........again, just how low can society go..........

[Olly]

One thing that has surprised me is that Trump has had so many people working for him over the years, yet not one of them has come out and talked bad about him............surely, if he is such an asshole, why not! He is not a bought and paid for politician!
I leaned more towards Kasich and Rubio in the beginning, but with them out of the race now, Trump will get my vote. I still can't believe that Hillary could even be a contender as corrupt as she is...........again, just how low can society go..........

He's had plenty of people talk shit about him over the years. Right now in the news he has some former Trump University people and students talking about how it was a scam.

[Deltaman]

One thing that has surprised me is that Trump has had so many people working for him over the years, yet not one of them has come out and talked bad about him............surely, if he is such an asshole, why not! He is not a bought and paid for politician!
I leaned more towards Kasich and Rubio in the beginning, but with them out of the race now, Trump will get my vote. I still can't believe that Hillary could even be a contender as corrupt as she is...........again, just how low can society go..........

He's had plenty of people talk shit about him over the years. Right now in the news he has some former Trump University people and students talking about how it was a scam.

We'll see Olly, it's just talk now, and if it has merit, it will all come out in the wash............still can't fathom Hillary though, and feel like she should be sitting in a jail cell.............yet she qualifies to run.......wtf is wrong with us as a society??????

[Olly]

One thing that has surprised me is that Trump has had so many people working for him over the years, yet not one of them has come out and talked bad about him............surely, if he is such an asshole, why not! He is not a bought and paid for politician!
I leaned more towards Kasich and Rubio in the beginning, but with them out of the race now, Trump will get my vote. I still can't believe that Hillary could even be a contender as corrupt as she is...........again, just how low can society go..........

He's had plenty of people talk shit about him over the years. Right now in the news he has some former Trump University people and students talking about how it was a scam.

We'll see Olly, it's just talk now, and if it has merit, it will all come out in the wash............still can't fathom Hillary though, and feel like she should be sitting in a jail cell.............yet she qualifies to run.......wtf is wrong with us as a society??????

I think the mentality that is has to be one or the other is the real problem. They are both horrible candidates. Clinton is a criminal and Trump is a con artist that is scamming the entire country.

[aunt betty]

Member whines a lot but offers no suggestions on how to solve the things he complains about. Must be a tranny.
Then after the election he'll lecture us on how "we" voted for the wrong candidate. Been following the guy for years and through two, almost three, election cycles. Same-o Same-o.