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[Woody]

siping gives you better traction and braking ability.

Don't fuckin matter a bit if your in 4 or not on how fast you can stop.

I'm not sure why he thinks it does.

[NuffDaddy]

The more you try and convince us how smart and experienced you are...the deeper in the home you get.
Here...you like using these obviously.

can't see your pic. the ABS i've had in work trucks makes a weird grinding sound and once you start to slide, doesn't disengage. dunno if it was working correctly or not, but i had no recovery.

It's auto pump. It's for people that don't know how to pump their breaks to stop while staying in control. I hate it and love that my truck doesn't have any of that fancy shit.

[(MT)Montanafowler]

siping gives you better traction and braking ability.

Don't fuckin matter a bit if your in 4 or not on how fast you can stop.

I'm not sure why he thinks it does.

i never said it does. not sure where you came up with that.

[NuffDaddy]

siping gives you better traction and braking ability.

Don't fuckin matter a bit if your in 4 or not on how fast you can stop.

I'm not sure why he thinks it does.

The only place I've ever noticed 4wd help where it isn't needed is taking off. You don't spin much. But I don't consider a little tire spin to be any kind of problem. It also helps a little with the back end sliding you can pull with the front end to help straighten it out, but if you know how to drive you shouldn't ever get to the point of needing that.

[NuffDaddy]

siping gives you better traction and braking ability.

Don't fuckin matter a bit if your in 4 or not on how fast you can stop.

I'm not sure why he thinks it does.

i never said it does. not sure where you came up with that.

Then why did you bring it up?

[Woody]

siping gives you better traction and braking ability.

Don't fuckin matter a bit if your in 4 or not on how fast you can stop.

I'm not sure why he thinks it does.

i never said it does. not sure where you came up with that.

I think I may have not noticed your changing subject off of 4x4 and thought you were saying that. Upon further review you may not have.

[NuffDaddy]

Shit. Just realized we've been arguing about this for over an hour. I need to go to bed.

[Bulldog0156]

I really hope that everyone else on this forum is getting as big of kick out of this argument as me!

[AKPirate]

I really hope that everyone else on this forum is getting as big of kick out of this argument as me!

It's a trainwreck

[Woody]

I really hope that everyone else on this forum is getting as big of kick out of this argument as me!

Who's arguing?

[huntall6]

Woody,

Read a fuckin book. ABS pumps several times a second and much more efficiently that a foot ever could. The anti slip in your moms car works exactly the opposite.
I use my 4wd when roads are iffy because I have literally been blown by the wind into a spin and ended up in the ditch. If I was in 2wd I would have been stuck even if I engaged 4wd after I stopped. In 4wd all I had to do was keep moving and find a path back to the road.
Using 4wd will not shorten the life o a vehicle. Those components are meant to be used, if you don't try will rot out faster much like not using your park brake will usually result in a locked up cable.
Siping is now being done on a lot of tires from the manufacturer. It is not done electronically at all, MT. It's a spiral razor that cuts the tread (at least when done at the tire shop.

[jehler]

These two live in Detroit and talk about driving in snow, lmao^

I don't live in fuckin d-town.

south of 55 = Detroit

[Woody]

Woody,

Read a fuckin book. ABS pumps several times a second and much more efficiently that a foot ever could. The anti slip in your moms car works exactly the opposite.

Ummm, I will read a book if you read the thread. I made the argument for ABS, (MT) is who you should be addressing...

I use my 4wd when roads are iffy because I have literally been blown by the wind into a spin and ended up in the ditch. If I was in 2wd I would have been stuck even if I engaged 4wd after I stopped. In 4wd all I had to do was keep moving and find a path back to the road.

Fair enough, I said I use it when I think it is necessary. The subject was just snow on the roads.

Using 4wd will not shorten the life o a vehicle. Those components are meant to be used, if you don't try will rot out faster much like not using your park brake will usually result in a locked up cable.

They don't test those components to 100K miles like they do everything else. They are meant for off road application.
My first job out of college was an Automotive Engineer, certain parts of a truck are not run through as rigorous of tests and are meant for certain situations only. For one 4X4 requires a certain amount of slip, otherwise it will destroy your truck.

Siping is now being done on a lot of tires from the manufacturer.

Yes, and the tires they do it to are engineered for that purpose.

[(MT)Montanafowler]

Siping is now being done on a lot of tires from the manufacturer. It is not done electronically at all, MT. It's a spiral razor that cuts the tread (at least when done at the tire shop.

i was tired when i was typing, but you're right. what i meant to say that it's a computer generated cut pattern. but yeah the actual cutting is done with razors.

[huntall6]

Too many people on this thread, sorry woody I thought it was you talking about ABS.

MT, go read a fucking book!

[(MT)Montanafowler]

Too many people on this thread, sorry woody I thought it was you talking about ABS.

MT, go read a fucking book!

Woody brought up ABS, i just said it sucked and that my truck doesn't have it.

[huntall6]

Woody,

Read a fuckin book. ABS pumps several times a second and much more efficiently that a foot ever could. The anti slip in your moms car works exactly the opposite.

Ummm, I will read a book if you read the thread. I made the argument for ABS, (MT) is who you should be addressing...

I use my 4wd when roads are iffy because I have literally been blown by the wind into a spin and ended up in the ditch. If I was in 2wd I would have been stuck even if I engaged 4wd after I stopped. In 4wd all I had to do was keep moving and find a path back to the road.

Fair enough, I said I use it when I think it is necessary. The subject was just snow on the roads.

YES SNOW ON THE ROADS. Which can easily put you into the snow in the ditch where there is usually more snow. Or heavy drifting on the roads (very common in flatlanderville)

Using 4wd will not shorten the life o a vehicle. Those components are meant to be used, if you don't try will rot out faster much like not using your park brake will usually result in a locked up cable.

They don't test those components to 100K miles like they do everything else. They are meant for off road application.
My first job out of college was an Automotive Engineer, certain parts of a truck are not run through as rigorous of tests and are meant for certain situations only. For one 4X4 requires a certain amount of slip, otherwise it will destroy your truck.

WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU DRIVE IN 4wd FOR 100k?? Your right, not meant to last 100k but it is intended to be used.

Siping is now being done on a lot of tires from the manufacturer.

Yes, and the tires they do it to are engineered for that purpose.

SIPING DOES INCREASE TRACTION FOR ACCELERATING OR BRAKING, PERIOD. Wether they were engineered for it or not.

Sorry for the yelling but I wasn't sure how else to make my post stick out on my phone. :/

[huntall6]

Too many people on this thread, sorry woody I thought it was you talking about ABS.

MT, go read a fucking book!

Woody brought up ABS, i just said it sucked and that my truck doesn't have it.

For the record none of my vehicles have it.

[(MT)Montanafowler]

Too many people on this thread, sorry woody I thought it was you talking about ABS.

MT, go read a fucking book!

Woody brought up ABS, i just said it sucked and that my truck doesn't have it.

For the record none of my vehicles have it.

what's the new thing that makes the horrific grinding noise? my girlfriend's car has that shit, first time i heard it i thought the front end was detonating.

[aunt betty]

Remember this?
If I had not been trying to save gas by driving in two wheel drive...I would most likely still have a kickass SeaArk that had an engine with electric start.
I'm not kidding.
This topic brings back bad memories and for your sake, all of you, learn from my mistake.
Huntal6 posted the best reply to "why should we run in 4x4 on ice or snow?".
He's right. Listen to him, not me.

[Woody]

WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU DRIVE IN 4wd FOR 100k?? Your right, not meant to last 100k but it is intended to be used.

If I drove in 4WD every time it snowed I would put 10K miles on my 4WD every year. It would wear out very quickly.

SIPING DOES INCREASE TRACTION FOR ACCELERATING OR BRAKING, PERIOD. Wether they were engineered for it or not.

Yes, but if the tire is not designed to handle the siping you are gambling that your tire can handle the extra stress and reduced structure.

YES SNOW ON THE ROADS. Which can easily put you into the snow in the ditch where there is usually more snow. Or heavy drifting on the roads (very common in flatlanderville)

I live near one of the largest lakes in the world, we have a lot of wind and drifting... I understand that sometime it is needed. Don't get me wrong I have had to drive to work in 4WD, but driving in 4WD all the time is not necessary.

[(MT)Montanafowler]

WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU DRIVE IN 4wd FOR 100k?? Your right, not meant to last 100k but it is intended to be used.

If I drove in 4WD every time it snowed I would put 10K miles on my 4WD every year. It would wear out very quickly.

SIPING DOES INCREASE TRACTION FOR ACCELERATING OR BRAKING, PERIOD. Wether they were engineered for it or not.

Yes, but if the tire is not designed to handle the siping you are gambling that your tire can handle the extra stress and reduced structure.

YES SNOW ON THE ROADS. Which can easily put you into the snow in the ditch where there is usually more snow. Or heavy drifting on the roads (very common in flatlanderville)

I live near one of the largest lakes in the world, we have a lot of wind and drifting... I understand that sometime it is needed. Don't get me wrong I have had to drive to work in 4WD, but driving in 4WD all the time is not necessary.

i put a few thousand miles on my truck every year in 4wd, haven't had a problem yet. for the record, i was driving curvy mountain roads, so yeah, it was needed. i forgot that most of the country is dead flat, if you are going up or down steep inclines, you want 4wd.

woody, you're the only person i've ever heard arguing against siping. if it was so dangerous, tire shops wouldn't do it, period.

[Woody]

WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU DRIVE IN 4wd FOR 100k?? Your right, not meant to last 100k but it is intended to be used.

If I drove in 4WD every time it snowed I would put 10K miles on my 4WD every year. It would wear out very quickly.

SIPING DOES INCREASE TRACTION FOR ACCELERATING OR BRAKING, PERIOD. Wether they were engineered for it or not.

Yes, but if the tire is not designed to handle the siping you are gambling that your tire can handle the extra stress and reduced structure.

YES SNOW ON THE ROADS. Which can easily put you into the snow in the ditch where there is usually more snow. Or heavy drifting on the roads (very common in flatlanderville)

I live near one of the largest lakes in the world, we have a lot of wind and drifting... I understand that sometime it is needed. Don't get me wrong I have had to drive to work in 4WD, but driving in 4WD all the time is not necessary.

i put a few thousand miles on my truck every year in 4wd, haven't had a problem yet. for the record, i was driving curvy mountain roads, so yeah, it was needed. i forgot that most of the country is dead flat, if you are going up or down steep inclines, you want 4wd.

woody, you're the only person i've ever heard arguing against siping. if it was so dangerous, tire shops wouldn't do it, period.

I'm not arguing against it. I've heard it causes more even wearing on a tire, but I would guess it will wear out the tire faster.
It most certainly reduces the structural stability of the tire and increases the forces put on the tire. That is not a good mix. I doubt anyone has done a study on the correlation between blowouts and siping, so it is hard to say if there is enough factor of safety designed in to the tire or not.

[NuffDaddy]

These two live in Detroit and talk about driving in snow, lmao^

I don't live in fuckin d-town.

south of 55 = Detroit

I think the line is 10

[huntall6]

WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU DRIVE IN 4wd FOR 100k?? Your right, not meant to last 100k but it is intended to be used.

If I drove in 4WD every time it snowed I would put 10K miles on my 4WD every year. It would wear out very quickly.

SIPING DOES INCREASE TRACTION FOR ACCELERATING OR BRAKING, PERIOD. Wether they were engineered for it or not.

Yes, but if the tire is not designed to handle the siping you are gambling that your tire can handle the extra stress and reduced structure.

YES SNOW ON THE ROADS. Which can easily put you into the snow in the ditch where there is usually more snow. Or heavy drifting on the roads (very common in flatlanderville)

I live near one of the largest lakes in the world, we have a lot of wind and drifting... I understand that sometime it is needed. Don't get me wrong I have had to drive to work in 4WD, but driving in 4WD all the time is not necessary.

i put a few thousand miles on my truck every year in 4wd, haven't had a problem yet. for the record, i was driving curvy mountain roads, so yeah, it was needed. i forgot that most of the country is dead flat, if you are going up or down steep inclines, you want 4wd.

woody, you're the only person i've ever heard arguing against siping. if it was so dangerous, tire shops wouldn't do it, period.

I'm not arguing against it. I've heard it causes more even wearing on a tire, but I would guess it will wear out the tire faster.
It most certainly reduces the structural stability of the tire and increases the forces put on the tire. That is not a good mix. I doubt anyone has done a study on the correlation between blowouts and siping, so it is hard to say if there is enough factor of safety designed in to the tire or not.

The only thin that gets cut is the part that is made to wear. I highly doubt it will cause blowouts. But if you drive fairly aggressively, it will tear the tread up faster than an unsiped tire. I may have found that out the hard way.....

And I will not buy another siped tire. No need for where I live. And if I was on snow or ice for 1/2 the year, I would get another set if wheels an put winter tires on them. Those things are amazingly grippy on snow/ice.

[jehler]

These two live in Detroit and talk about driving in snow, lmao^

I don't live in fuckin d-town.

south of 55 = Detroit

I think the line is 10

you're pushing your luck nuff, you want me to make it 113?!?

[NuffDaddy]

These two live in Detroit and talk about driving in snow, lmao^

I don't live in fuckin d-town.

south of 55 = Detroit

I think the line is 10

you're pushing your luck nuff, you want me to make it 113?!?

What part of Michigan sucks that's north of 10?

[jehler]

Pretty much errything right up the middle and to the east

[NuffDaddy]

Pretty much errything right up the middle and to the east

Lies

[jehler]

West coast is where it's at broseph, you better check yoself