Running Radar?

[Woody]

I should say it wasn't needed but appreciated.

[Goldfish]

If you think 4by will stop a spin, you've been out of Minnesota too long. How's that work to spin those tires on a fwd vehicle with the tires turned? You go straight. Same with 4by engaged. Go to turn and with the front tires trying to speed up/slow down, they are going to loose traction and you won't be able to turn. I have this same agreement with my retarded friend who thinks that having his taco in 4by will give him loads of traction, then wonders why he always bombs the front end into snow banks while i drift around the corner no problem. Have that bad boy in 2wd and your front tires will grip to at least point you where you want to go. If you are going to hit the ditch in 2 wheel, you are going to in 4 wheel just as well. Only difference is that I'll back in and you will be nosed in.

And Montana, if you think 4by would have helped you on black ice any more than the 2by, you were doing something wrong in the first place. I've never hit a ditch, and I drove a Camaro thru a MN winter, with Dayton Daytonas for tires, no snow tires.

I'll ask you the same question: is a front wheel drive vehicle better in the snow than a rear wheel drive vehicle?

If you don't have weight over the rear tires, fwd will get you going faster, but I would never say it is better in the snow. Your tires only have so much grip. If you are using half of it for momentum, then you have less for directional control. Put that momentum at the rear wheels, and your front tires traction can be used for direction.

[jehler]

Wow, I'm amazed at how many of you northerners don't know how to drive

[Goldfish]

There is a reason that they use rear wheel drive cars for dirt racing. Sure, they use awd for rally and score trucks, but those have systems in the cars that disconnect the power to the front wheels when they let off the gas so that they can turn the vehicle, and when they get back on the gas the power gets put back to all 4 wheels.

[aunt betty]

I raced rc trucks in the 90's and was really good. The all-wheel drive cars were fucking FAST!

[aunt betty]

The all wheel drive cars could throw themselves into a corner and power-turn. Its amazing to watch what an awd can do.

[assateague]

If you think 4by will stop a spin, you've been out of Minnesota too long. How's that work to spin those tires on a fwd vehicle with the tires turned? You go straight. Same with 4by engaged. Go to turn and with the front tires trying to speed up/slow down, they are going to loose traction and you won't be able to turn. I have this same agreement with my retarded friend who thinks that having his taco in 4by will give him loads of traction, then wonders why he always bombs the front end into snow banks while i drift around the corner no problem. Have that bad boy in 2wd and your front tires will grip to at least point you where you want to go. If you are going to hit the ditch in 2 wheel, you are going to in 4 wheel just as well. Only difference is that I'll back in and you will be nosed in.

And Montana, if you think 4by would have helped you on black ice any more than the 2by, you were doing something wrong in the first place. I've never hit a ditch, and I drove a Camaro thru a MN winter, with Dayton Daytonas for tires, no snow tires.

I'll ask you the same question: is a front wheel drive vehicle better in the snow than a rear wheel drive vehicle?

If you don't have weight over the rear tires, fwd will get you going faster, but I would never say it is better in the snow. Your tires only have so much grip. If you are using half of it for momentum, then you have less for directional control. Put that momentum at the rear wheels, and your front tires traction can be used for direction.

You make as much sense as nuff. Do you get the concept of "drive wheels"?

[(MT)Montanafowler]

If you don't have weight over the rear tires, fwd will get you going faster, but I would never say it is better in the snow. Your tires only have so much grip. If you are using half of it for momentum, then you have less for directional control. Put that momentum at the rear wheels, and your front tires traction can be used for direction.

until they lose traction, and then you're shit out of fucking luck.

[aunt betty]

This topic is awesome.
I mean from the viewpoint of an M.E.
Cracks me up.

[aunt betty]

It's a lot like when Copterdoc was arguing with swamp...using sailboat charts to convince him his boat wouldn't plane. Then swamp took pics of it DOING IT.
Gold, pure gold.

[Woody]

This topic is awesome.
I mean from the viewpoint of an M.E.
Cracks me up.

Really?

Because from the view point of an ME, you and Assa are spewing nonsense.

[(MT)Montanafowler]

This topic is awesome.
I mean from the viewpoint of an M.E.
Cracks me up.

Really?

Because from the view point of an ME, you and Assa are spewing nonsense.

in 2wd, you operate on the balance of a pendulum. M.E would say 4 points of contact equidistant from each other is more stable.

[aunt betty]

This topic is awesome.
I mean from the viewpoint of an M.E.
Cracks me up.

Really?

Because from the view point of an ME, you and Assa are spewing nonsense.

No, you are, have been, and wont quit


Solve this and I will possibly maybe believe you know something about engineering.

d/dx x^3 + cos x =

[rebelp74]

This topic is awesome.
I mean from the viewpoint of an M.E.
Cracks me up.

Really?

Because from the view point of an ME, you and Assa are spewing nonsense.

in 2wd, you operate on the balance of a pendulum. M.E would say 4 points of contact equidistant from each other is more stable.

Fuckyer big werds

[assateague]

Woody, here you go. Yes or no:

is a front wheel drive vehicle better in the snow than a rear wheel drive vehicle?

[Woody]

This topic is awesome.
I mean from the viewpoint of an M.E.
Cracks me up.

Really?

Because from the view point of an ME, you and Assa are spewing nonsense.

in 2wd, you operate on the balance of a pendulum. M.E would say 4 points of contact equidistant from each other is more stable.

As the resident ME, I can tell you that is correct but stability is not what we are talking about.

Pure scientific fact... If you apply force to a pair of tires you decrease the friction between them and the road.

[(MT)Montanafowler]

d/dx x^3 + cos x =

3x^2-sin(x)

[aunt betty]

This topic is awesome.
I mean from the viewpoint of an M.E.
Cracks me up.

Really?

Because from the view point of an ME, you and Assa are spewing nonsense.

in 2wd, you operate on the balance of a pendulum. M.E would say 4 points of contact equidistant from each other is more stable.

Fuckyer big werds

Yep. I said that exactly...pages ago when jeeps was the focus of conversation.

[aunt betty]

C'mon woody. I gave you an easy as fuck first semester calculus problem. (He's looking up a program that does calc right now I bet)

[Woody]

Woody, here you go. Yes or no:

is a front wheel drive vehicle better in the snow than a rear wheel drive vehicle?

A FWD vehicle has more weight over the drive wheels than a RWD vehicle under factory configuration.
If one adds weight over or behind the back tires it will increase the traction between the rear wheels and the road.
This combined with the fact that applying force to tires reduces traction, thus steering/control can cause RWD handle better in undesirable conditions.

So, no and maybe.

[rebelp74]

[aunt betty]

Care to see a copy of Tipler Physics for Engineers?

[Woody]

C'mon woody. I gave you an easy as fuck first semester calculus problem. (He's looking up a program that does calc right now I bet)

Someone already answered it correctly.

Betty, I graduated with BSME and a Minor in Aerospace with 3.5 from a top 15 engineer school. I have nothing to prove.

[jehler]

Ima drivin my-a rear-a wheel drive a car-a inda snow, and it's a all slippery all over like a da spaghetti

[NuffDaddy]

If you think 4by will stop a spin, you've been out of Minnesota too long. How's that work to spin those tires on a fwd vehicle with the tires turned? You go straight. Same with 4by engaged. Go to turn and with the front tires trying to speed up/slow down, they are going to loose traction and you won't be able to turn. I have this same agreement with my retarded friend who thinks that having his taco in 4by will give him loads of traction, then wonders why he always bombs the front end into snow banks while i drift around the corner no problem. Have that bad boy in 2wd and your front tires will grip to at least point you where you want to go. If you are going to hit the ditch in 2 wheel, you are going to in 4 wheel just as well. Only difference is that I'll back in and you will be nosed in.

And Montana, if you think 4by would have helped you on black ice any more than the 2by, you were doing something wrong in the first place. I've never hit a ditch, and I drove a Camaro thru a MN winter, with Dayton Daytonas for tires, no snow tires.

I'll ask you the same question: is a front wheel drive vehicle better in the snow than a rear wheel drive vehicle?

If you don't have weight over the rear tires, fwd will get you going faster, but I would never say it is better in the snow. Your tires only have so much grip. If you are using half of it for momentum, then you have less for directional control. Put that momentum at the rear wheels, and your front tires traction can be used for direction.

You make as much sense as nuff. Do you get the concept of "drive wheels"?

What part do you not understand? I feel more in control with RWD than with FWD or 4WD. That's why I don't use 4WD until I can't move with 2WD. If you like 4wd, then lock that bitch in any time you want.

[Woody]

Care to see a copy of Tipler Physics for Engineers?

Would you like to borrow a copy that was written after Newton's laws?

[aunt betty]

To see if you guys pay attention to the forums...
We argued this same argument begore but the focus was TIRES.

Now, which is better in poor traction situations and why...
Tall and skinny or short and fat (wide)

I am curious what you think...it should be funny.

[Woody]

Ima drivin my-a rear-a wheel drive a car-a inda snow, and it's a all slippery all over like a da spaghetti

God damn it

[jehler]

Tall and skinny on my front wheel drive please, much better traction

[Woody]

To see if you guys pay attention to the forums...
We argued this same argument begore but the focus was TIRES.

Now, which is better in poor traction situations and why...
Tall and skinny or short and fat (wide)

I am curious what you think...it should be funny.

Is the aspect ratio the same?